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Infobitt – A movement to do for the news what Wikipedia did for encyclopedias

70 点作者 lsanger超过 10 年前

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lsanger超过 10 年前
I started Wikipedia back in 2001 and after a long string of nonprofits have started Infobitt.com, which is, sort of, Wikipedia for news. We scour the web for facts about a given story, aggregate hand-written summaries of the facts, rank-order them, and rank-order whole stories (collections of facts = bitts) as well. At scale, we will make news less noisy and more efficient to catch up on. My claim is that only a giant online community could do this--traditional news orgs aren't big enough, and algorithms aren't sophisticated enough (any more than they're sophisticated enough to write Wikipedia).
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sparkzilla超过 10 年前
It&#x27;s not only feasible, we are already doing it! [1] I have also written extensively on why Wikipedia is not a newspaper [2] and the many flaws of Wikipedia for news-based content [2]<p>Larry&#x27;s attempt to break down the news into bits is an interesting experiment (and I wish him the best of luck as he goes forward). I&#x27;m not sure he will be able to attract the user base he needs to make it work though. We pay our writers, and are moving to implementing a revenue-share model to reward our writers. I&#x27;m not sure if the &quot;work-for-free-while-the-owners-get-rich model works any more.<p>[1]<a href="http://newslines.org" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;newslines.org</a> [2]<a href="http://newslines.org/blog/wikipedia-is-not-a-newspaper/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;newslines.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;wikipedia-is-not-a-newspaper&#x2F;</a> [3]<a href="http://newslines.org/blog/wikipedias-13-deadly-sins/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;newslines.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;wikipedias-13-deadly-sins&#x2F;</a>
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fennecfoxen超过 10 年前
Isn&#x27;t that the purpose of <a href="http://en.wikinews.org/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikinews.org&#x2F;</a>? What will this site do right that Wikinews doesn&#x27;t?
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smoe超过 10 年前
I really like the idea of summarizing various source in infobitt. But I think it still suffers from some points outlined in &quot;News is bad for you – and giving up reading it will make you happier&quot; [0].<p>E.G. not living in the states, half of the &quot;top news&quot; section is pretty irrelevant to me and the relevancy of the others seems to be based on the personal interests of the tech sawy contributors. I&#x27;m sure this gets better once more people are using it. But i guess having some noise is unavoidable.<p>The nice thing about this crowd approach might or might not be, that only provable facts are quoted and fewer false accusations are made. Thats mostly the reason why I stopped following news after the Utøya massacre in 2011 and later quitted my job at a news site.<p>Is there already an API one can fiddle around with? I think there is a huge potential in being able to use that data and hopefully feed stuff back. In my opinion, the problem with journalism today is not journalism itself but the distribution of content and the lack of choice how to consume it.<p>[0] <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/apr/12/news-is-bad-rolf-dobelli" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;media&#x2F;2013&#x2F;apr&#x2F;12&#x2F;news-is-bad-rol...</a>
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hackuser超过 10 年前
Less and less do I trust the wisdom of the crowds, and Wikipedia. I want expertise, not the consensus of amateurs and the ignorant. Look how well the consensus of experts, or at least professionals, works at HN: useful, better than alternatives, but I wouldn&#x27;t bank on it.<p>A story, possibly apocryphal, about Richard Feynman: He gave a strong negative review to a textbook that the other reviewers endorsed. When confronted he said he might not be the smartest person in the world, but was he more intelligent than the average of a hundred people? Certainly!<p>Or from a Car Talk brain teaser: Do two people who don&#x27;t know what they&#x27;re talking about know more or less than one persion who doesn&#x27;t know what they&#x27;re talking about?<p>What about 100 or 1,000 people? I&#x27;m pretty sure they know less, as they create in their echo chamber greater certainty and additional untruths.<p>(I am overstating the case for effect; there is value in the aggregate factual knowledge of crowds, and they are not always ignorant.)
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leoh超过 10 年前
Seems like a race to the bottom. How will original, reliable reporters of facts have time to gather them if they aren&#x27;t paid?
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hackuser超过 10 年前
A much higher proportion of news content than Wikipedia content is politicized, and Wikipedia functions worst, IMHO, for politicized issues.<p>How will you prevent users from politicizing your content? For example, will you exclude more politicized sources such as Fox and the Huffington Post? Separate editorial sources from straight journalism? What about government-controlled media such as Russia Today (RT)?<p>It seems like the content of politicized stories could be mostly politicized &#x27;bitts&#x27; (where often both sides are deceptive and none of the information is valid), and it could merely represent the beliefs of whichever side has more dedicated contributors.
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frankydp超过 10 年前
Feels very much like news.google.com.<p>With the voting on GN being time and search traffic? I am not sure how the determination on GN ordering works, but the idea of human curated news seems an even more sensation driven principle than the current network news industry.<p>Even HN falls victim to sensationalism on a regular basis, and I presume most of HN&#x27;s users are somewhat invested in the quality.<p>I am not meaning to detract from the effort, but the outcome for such a scenario seems pretty repeatable. Especially with the history of non-niche vote driven news outlets&#x2F;sites, and their predilection to not be viewed as quality, definitive, or substantive.
skadamat超过 10 年前
<a href="http://news.genius.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.genius.com</a>
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Animats超过 10 年前
&quot;Only a giant, international, online community could make this happen.&quot; Oh, yeah? It&#x27;s already being done by an AI. That&#x27;s what Google News does.<p><i>Machines should think. People should work.</i>
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billaronson超过 10 年前
I have been contributing to infobitt for awhile now. The potential is for it to be a place where you get a rounded view of a story by multiple editors providing different facts. One option I hope will emerge is filters so I could see for example how the world news appears from an Australian perspective and then instantly flip and see it from a is perspective. That would be something that nobody has done as yet.
billaronson超过 10 年前
I&#x27;ve been contributing to infobitt now for about a year. I think the idea of breaking a story down into individual facts linked to sources is interesting. The game changer will come when we start adding value beyond that. There are some ideas percolating on that front. So I would encourage anyone interested to get on board and see where this takes us.
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nanxi超过 10 年前
Yes, it&#x27;s possible. I haven&#x27;t seen a crowd-sourced news website with a focus on the community so much as Infobitt. The site&#x27;s style is really good: the news is given to me in small pieces with easily digestible key facts. I can see a lot of people going to this site every day to know what&#x27;s going on around the world.
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denchik37超过 10 年前
Quick googling of news ontologies reveale plenty of established knowledge models. Why does the world need one more?
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mojaam超过 10 年前
Sounds like a nice idea but isn&#x27;t Google News already doing a decent job on this? It&#x27;s going to be hard to beat the speed of Twitter or Google News in my opinion but I&#x27;ll be curious to see where this goes.
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lettercarrier超过 10 年前
I would love to see this work. Really love to.<p>This has as big of a chance to improve humanity as wikipedia, I believe. The elimination of news curators will reduce other people thinking for them.
vivooshka超过 10 年前
I&#x27;m a happy user of InfoBitt. I went from skimming different news sources, such as Yahoo headlines, to strictly looking at InfoBitt for the top news of the day.
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krick超过 10 年前
&gt; Is a “Wikipedia for news” feasible?<p>I&#x27;m pretty sure it isn&#x27;t. People who claim the opposite seem to miss something important. Well, of course it depends on how to define &quot;wikipedia for news&quot;, but there are several reasons why it is empty talking.<p>First off, wikipedia is all about data. It&#x27;s really cool that it provides easy to use service as well, and that&#x27;s the reason why it is somewhat more successful than OSM, but nevertheless, Wikipedia <i>is the data</i>. Newspapers, TV, now all these news portals are <i>services</i>. There is important difference between data and service.<p>Data is gathered and shared amongst us as people working for some great good, which is useful for us personally as well. I might event not like you, disagree with all your opinions, but as long as you can provide to that great work of ours some knowledge that I cannot provide (even if I&#x27;m not particularly interested in it) I welcome you. All that matters to me is that you are not lying here. And, as you can see, even in such (presumably) politically-neutral environment there is much disagreement and silly behavior, people tend to get personal, there&#x27;re edit wars, forked projects like encyclopedia dramatica, because there obviously appears to be some content which isn&#x27;t interesting for one community, but interesting for another. I don&#x27;t know much about content of sites like knowyourmeme and such, but russian clone of lurkmore is actually a funny example, as many of articles there are about some real, important topic, about which article on Wikipedia also exists, but are composed in a much more harsh manner, without worrying about political neutrality, and often delivering some curious facts, so if you are interested in the subject you would probably read article both there and on wikipedia.<p>Service is something to be <i>delivered</i>. It must be on time, as &quot;cold news&quot; aren&#x27;t even news anymore. It&#x27;s about you providing me information I&#x27;m interested in even before I know I&#x27;m interested in it, so you should guess it (no matter if it&#x27;s having good intuition or using machine learning). It&#x27;s about it being provided in right amount, so I wouldn&#x27;t stop reading before I get to the most interesting part (and never buy a newspaper from you anymore). It should be reasonably entertaining, so I would want to come back for more. That being said, service is kinda hard. And sadly I assume you don&#x27;t want to work your sweat off just to please me, for free it is. So our little community-driven platform should be as useful for me, as it is for you. There are several easily deductible reasons why it is a problem, so I&#x27;ll skip discussing them and get to the first conclusion: something that is about opinions and is equally useful and interesting for all participants isn&#x27;t news service, it is social network. So if you think you are building news service I guess you don&#x27;t understand what you are building, because actually you are trying to build one more social network. Lack of understanding what you are making is a problem by itself.<p>Second is empirical confirmation of the first, and is pointed out in other comments: we have plenty of services like that and services which are social networks in the first place (reddit, HN, even twitter for that matter) are more successful news platforms that specialized news platforms. And I don&#x27;t even see any claims of how different form them it would be.<p>Third problem is as much as I don&#x27;t like journalists, there are reasons for them to exist. They go to dangerous places and make photos, they use all kinds of shady tricks to find ugly and quite interesting story under plain-looking surface, they know who to ask, they know how to ask. They know what to tell to their consumers, they know how to tell. If you are building your own virtual newsroom without journalists you either need to use resources provided by real ones working for other agencies, which makes your own platform some aggregator like facebook or google adds, or, yeah, reddit, HN, Twitter, everything else. Or you just won&#x27;t have anything (interesting) to tell, really.
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frozenport超过 10 年前
Sounds like Reddit
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billconan超过 10 年前
hacker news is essentially a wikipedia for tech news.
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