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Spolsky - Where there's muck there's brass

36 点作者 wmorein超过 17 年前

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fauigerzigerk超过 17 年前
There are two types of muck though: Muck that cannot be avoided and becomes a hard problem that must be solved =&#62; brass. Muck for which there is a known way to avoid it, and solving it is just a short term fix with shrinking demand =&#62; legacy.<p>Data cleansing/integration is an example for the first kind of muck. I believe on-premises server-side software belongs in the second muck category. As a startup, think hard before you do it!<p>
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staunch超过 17 年前
PG already claimed the yorkshire-muck-brass analogy for startups: <a href="http://www.paulgraham.com/bronze.html#f4" rel="nofollow">http://www.paulgraham.com/bronze.html#f4</a><p>But damn does it bare repeating. A recent experience for me has been creating some plugins for blog software. It's insanely painful making them work reliably with thousands of subtly different sets of platforms/versions/themes/plugin combinations. I've learned first hand from users how much they value it, and I'm not going to give up, but wow is it ever agonizing. I almost pity my competitors for following. <p>There's tons of money to be made in creating Wasabi-like abstraction layers for all sorts of similarly hairy systems. I know I'd gladly pay for ones that would spare me.<p>
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iamelgringo超过 17 年前
Yeah, but creating a web app that gets 1 million+ users isn't an easy feat, either, Joel. You say it can be done with 3 guys and an iguana. Well, that's only if the 3 guys +/- iguana have spent the better part of the last few years learning Python + Django/RoR, MySQL or PostGres setup installation and administration, Unix administration, SSH, Apache/Lighttpd/Nginx configuration and administration, Memcached, Perlbal or Pound, Mongrel, and perhaps Amazon web services like EC2 and S3. <p>Really, if you're not proficient or able to quickly learn these technologies, good luck with your iguana.<p>And, after spending the majority of the semester dealing with nightmares associated with the "Enterprise" web stack--ASP.NET, J2EE and Oracle--creating a web application is muck. Why else is Big Co. willing to shell out millions of dollars for a startup that has created these web apps and succeeded in attracting customers? Because Big Co's aren't doing it well at all. They're mired in muck.<p>Hackers willing to learn and use a non-Enterprisey web stack will find that they can walk on top of that muck and find brass. Selling shrink-wrapped software isn't the only way to make money.
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fleaflicker超过 17 年前
he must be desperate to hire new people--he's been posting essays at a blistering rate. <p>i can't blame him though--joelonsoftware is a great recruiting tool.
brlewis超过 17 年前
I bet diversity of PHP installations is the source of his support issues, not the diversity of Unix installations. There's plenty of software that runs fine on diverse POSIX-compliant operating systems.
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Tichy超过 17 年前
I wonder if they could reduce the support costs for the installable version by selling complete servers with the software pre-installed?
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andreyf超过 17 年前
insubstantial and fluffy? three kids and an iguana?<p>Is this a thinly veiled diss at YC?