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MakeGamesWithUs (YC W12) is now MakeSchool, building an alternative CS degree

63 点作者 DesaiAshu超过 10 年前

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josephwegner超过 10 年前
What a bummer that the tuition for this is still $30k for a year. I just can&#x27;t imagine that $30k&#x2F;year is a sustainable economic model for higher education. Especially in the technical arena, you can become proficient enough to get a junior-level engineering job pretty easily. Definitely for a lot cheaper than $30k.<p>I say this as a self-taught engineer - never went to college, and I&#x27;ve now got a pretty great software engineering job. Dropping $30k for a year of training (or, even worse, $30k&#x2F;year for 4 years!) would have been a huge waste.
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larssorenson超过 10 年前
I&#x27;m rather frustrated with this huge push to create a &quot;new&quot; CS degree, which is basically saying &quot;Let&#x27;s abandon half of CS and focus on just programming.&quot; Computer Science is, obviously enough, the science of Computers and computation. Coincidentally, programming happens to be a tool for computer scientists to interact with computers and demonstrate computational theory. While I understand and appreciate the necessity for good programmers&#x2F;developers, people seem to miss the point of what a Computer Scientist actually is. It includes a whole lot of theory and knowledge of how computers function and operate, from the fundamental logic up to the application layer. Programming is learned as a Computer Scientist not necessarily for the purpose of a career, but rather as a means of implementing and testing theories and ideas. Much the same as Mathematics where theories are abundant, many of which are necessary to become a mathematician. You don&#x27;t see anyone trying to create a Math degree that skips a lot of theory and just teaches you Applied Mathematics for a career. While the analogy breaks down when you move into industry, the concept is the same. If you are pursuing a Computer Science degree, you must become a Computer Scientist. If you want a more objective approach, see the definition of Computer Science as put forth by wikipedia: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_science" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Computer_science</a> . You&#x27;ll notice that Software Engineering is but a subset of the field of Applied Computer Science, which is itself a subset of Computer Science. Before I continue ranting I&#x27;ll just summarize: You cannot forgo or severely reduce the extensive amount of theory behind Computer Science and churn out Computer Scientists. It does not match up. If your goal is instead to produce more software engineers &#x2F; programmers &#x2F; developers who are not real Computer Scientists, then you should re-name your degree and your program. You might find CIT&#x2F;CNIT&#x2F;IT more appropriate. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_technology" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Information_technology</a>
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programmarchy超过 10 年前
We&#x27;ve been using the SpriteBuilder tutorials on makegameswith.us as a resource for teaching a group of high school students how to program games. It&#x27;s been extremely valuable for helping them get up and running, and saved us a ton of time.<p>Happy to hear they are leveling up with MakeSchool.
CalRobert超过 10 年前
I gotta say, I hope they&#x27;ve improved. I participated in makegameswith.us and found the experienced to be very disorganized. There was no clear indication of which week you were supposed to be in in regards to the course schedule, and the pods, groups, etc. devolved into a wasteland pretty quickly. Of course, there&#x27;s also the fact that it would be far preferable to use Swift at this point (or develop for Android) but I may be biased because I loath ObjC.
ajaymehta超过 10 年前
Congrats MakeSchool! The summer program students I met were very bright and loved the program, look forward to following the gap year program.
califield超过 10 年前
This is an exciting space right now. I&#x27;m gearing up to launch RPG Classroom this Spring. The name is sort of a combination of their old and new names (gaming and mentoring).<p>I think their price is a little high, but I guess they have an obligation to charge what people are willing to pay. Instead of charging $30,000, my idea is to accept Bitcoin donations if people are happy with their education.<p>Besides teaching computer science, I think gamification is a natural next step for primary education (K-12) in this era of attention challenged kids and I hope MakeSchool isn&#x27;t back-peddling on that. For example, instead of making proof of concept games, I want to put out an RPG that teaches Biology 101 (or build a platform that enables someone else to do it).
blergh123超过 10 年前
Where is Zed Shaw&#x27;s follow up article to &#x27;<a href="http://zedshaw.com/2014/10/19/the-coming-code-bootcamp-destruction/&#x27;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;zedshaw.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;10&#x2F;19&#x2F;the-coming-code-bootcamp-destr...</a> ?
londonymous超过 10 年前
&gt;The MakeSchool Gap Year is designed to accelerate the careers of the brightest computer science majors.<p>I&#x27;m confused about what this is offering. If it&#x27;s for existing CS majors, surely by definition if you&#x27;re among &quot;brightest&quot;, you wouldn&#x27;t forgo the $5-10k&#x2F;mo internships available [1] or generous starting salaries you can get right out the door, and instead <i>pay</i> $30k.<p>[1] <a href="https://twitter.com/tzhongg/status/536565474041937921/photo/1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;tzhongg&#x2F;status&#x2F;536565474041937921&#x2F;photo&#x2F;...</a>
yefim超过 10 年前
Congrats Jeremy and Ashu! Hope the new Gap Year program does extremely well.
lakesta超过 10 年前
FYI: Title tag on <a href="https://www.makeschool.com/home/" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.makeschool.com&#x2F;home&#x2F;</a> is MakeGamesWithUs | Home
mhartl超过 10 年前
Looks awesome. Are there any regulatory issues associated with starting a formal school with a physical location?
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dyeje超过 10 年前
Cmd+F on &#x27;journey&#x27;. Was not disappointed.