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MIT indefinitely removes online physics lectures and courses by Walter Lewin

144 点作者 clarkm超过 10 年前

30 条评论

lsiebert超过 10 年前
&quot;She provided information about Lewin’s interactions with her, which began when she was a learner in one of his MITx courses, as well as information about interactions between Lewin and other women online learners.&quot;<p>So it wasn&#x27;t an isolated incident.<p>&quot;Based on its investigation, MIT has determined that Lewin’s behavior toward the complainant violated the Institute’s policy on sexual harassment. Following broad consultation among faculty, MIT is indefinitely removing Lewin’s online courses, in the interest of preventing any further inappropriate behavior.&quot;<p>There was an investigation, run by the head of the Physics department, and they determined sexual harassment happened through MIT online materials. The faculty of the department were consulted, and it was decided to remove his material, to prevent any future issues.<p>He used his online content to prey upon female students. They removed that content. I mean what was the alternative for MIT? Not tell anyone? Leave it up, with a warning that you shouldn&#x27;t contact the professor because he has harassed women in the past?<p>Call me old-fashioned, but I think when people abuse their positions of power and authority in order to victimize others, the institutions SHOULD cut ties with those individuals. As far as I know, nothing prevents Lewin, or others, from hosting the videos of his lectures elsewhere.<p>But MIT is right to disassociate from somebody they have determined to have behaved inappropriately.
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RodericDay超过 10 年前
I think everyone understands the frustration with taking down these notes on &#x27;hurting so many to get to him?&#x27; grounds<p>but do any of you see the opposite viewpoint? that&#x27;s the one that barely anyone in this HN thread is discussing? that MIT is basically saying to any profs &quot;you play around with this and you&#x27;re done&quot;?<p>I feel like it&#x27;s extremely encouraging to women, and may very well outweigh the marginal benefits of yet another physics lecture set online, particularly since they can easily be reinstated after the punishment and political message sinks in.<p>all of this stuff about the sanctity of information rings really hollow in a forum full of cynics anyway. and the skepticism about the accusations is just the cherry on top.
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sweettea超过 10 年前
This is a real travesty. While sexual harassment deserves suspension from future teaching, the existence of Lewin&#x27;s (highly regarded and instructive) lectures in no wise endorses or encourages sexual harassment, and their loss is truly detrimental.
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Mithrandir超过 10 年前
MIT uploaded 8.01, 8.02, and 8.03 (as well as other courses) to the Internet Archive awhile ago.<p>8.01: <a href="https://archive.org/details/MIT8.01F99" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.org&#x2F;details&#x2F;MIT8.01F99</a><p>8.02: <a href="https://archive.org/details/MIT8.02S02" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.org&#x2F;details&#x2F;MIT8.02S02</a><p>8.03: <a href="https://archive.org/details/MIT8.03F04" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.org&#x2F;details&#x2F;MIT8.03F04</a><p>Edit: I don&#x27;t know if all the problem sets are up there.
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reuven超过 10 年前
Wow, this is a tough one.<p>When I was an undergrad at MIT in the late 1980s and early 1990s, Walter Lewin was synonymous with amazing physics teaching. We would watch his videos on MIT&#x27;s internal cable TV channel, to better understand (or just to understand) our physics homework.<p>I wasn&#x27;t surprised to find that Lewin became an online teaching star, and that he was repeatedly praised for his instructional videos. Indeed, just a few days ago, I showed some of his videos to my 13-year-old daughter, who is showing some interest in physics.<p>So the videos are good and useful, and nothing changes the fact that Lewin is an exceptional teacher.<p>At the same time, it looks like MIT has investigated these charges of sexual harassment, and that there is truth to them. True, without hearing more details, we have to rely upon their judgment, which is frustrating. But the press release tries to make it clear that the investigation was handled by multiple people, including faculty members, and that it wasn&#x27;t a one-time occurrence.<p>So I&#x27;m willing to believe, and be profoundly disappointed, as I accept the fact that Lewin engaged in sexual harassment. Such behavior is unacceptable, and I&#x27;m glad that MIT wants to stop it.<p>However, I wonder whether removing high-quality courses from the Internet is the right way to do that. I assume that they removed the videos so as to remove any reputational damage that Lewin&#x27;s actions might cause to MIT. But there is also some educational damage here, and many people will suffer as a result.<p>There is no good or right answer here. I think that MIT is trying to do the right thing, but I&#x27;m not sure if their actions were, on balance, the right thing to do. I do hope that their actions will make it clear to other faculty members that they simply cannot behave this way, though.
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FD3SA超过 10 年前
This is absurd. Ignoring the ever loosening definition of sexual harassment combined with its increasingly retroactive application, what does the man&#x27;s academic work have to do with these allegations?<p>Do the excellent lectures he&#x27;s put online to help millions of students suddenly become illegal material, akin to child pornography?<p>I find it ironic how the new &quot;politically correct&quot; legions behave increasingly like a subversive fascist movement. &quot;Incorrect&quot; thoughts and opinions become illegal taboos, and alleged &quot;criminals&quot; are assumed guilty without trial.<p>The irony resulting from the escapades of these so called &quot;social justice warriors&quot; would be comical, if the results weren&#x27;t so tragic. Walter Lewin&#x27;s lectures are an incredible resource for the entire world. Taking them down because of alleged misconduct is the height of absurdity. MIT is harming millions of students worldwide who don&#x27;t have access to any other resources.<p>The time has come to stop these modern witch trials, and return to a sane legal process. Particularly, innocence until proven guilty.
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ilamont超过 10 年前
Lewin was a superstar in online education circles, and very highly regarded at MIT. The NYT, among others, covered this: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/19/education/19physics.html?_r=0" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2007&#x2F;12&#x2F;19&#x2F;education&#x2F;19physics.html?_...</a>
jwr超过 10 年前
I&#x27;ve been going through these courses slowly. This is a punishment for me, too, as their sudden removal means I can no longer continue.<p>I think MIT could have left the lecture videos online, prefixing them with a notice, which would have amounted to the same thing (disassociating from Walter Lewin and punishment for him), except that countless people that used those videos would not be punished.<p>I do hope there is a torrent with the archived Electricity&amp;Magnetism lectures.
byerley超过 10 年前
I sure hope the Feynman lectures from Caltech aren&#x27;t next.<p>People seem really quick to forget that fundamental science endures and political correctness is fleeting. I wonder what the next world threatening catastrophe to make people remember will be.
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grayclhn超过 10 年前
Just want to point out to anyone upset that his lectures and notes have been taken offline: MIT&#x27;s OCW is typically CC-BY-NC. Anyone is free to share their backup copy of the lectures online as a replacement.
gamesbrainiac超过 10 年前
Why does MIT have to remove the video content? Lewin&#x27;s lectures are one of the best sources to learn physics. Period.
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wbhart超过 10 年前
The lectures themselves were a fantastic resource. I had been watching them in order, and was about half way through his 801 physics course. They are extremely entertaining and very well presented. He even addresses the issue of sexism at a few points in the lectures, and is clearly extremely popular with his students.<p>It&#x27;s a shame he overstepped boundaries in another way, leading to the removal of a really seriously good resource. On the other hand, one can understand MIT&#x27;s point of view, given the facts. It would be very wrong of them not to remove his online course and allow the platform to continue to be misused in this way.<p>I hope that Lewin or a colleague will release a statement, since at the moment there is such an enormous scope in the possibilities regarding the accusations. It could cover anything from otherwise polite, oblique references to students&#x27; appearances in a photo, to something overtly sexual and predatory. All kinds of sexual harassment are wrong and unwarranted, but some kinds are much more serious.
pakled_engineer超过 10 年前
Time to site rip and create an OCW torrent in case other materials and lectures disappear.
jabelk超过 10 年前
This is a reasonable thing for MIT to do. Many comparisons to book burning have been made in various comments, which is not a good analogy. In this situation, the analogue to book burning would be burning his books[1]. MIT is just declining to have their name on the cover of his books (read: lectures) any more.<p>MIT is not trying to decree that the guy has some egregious objective moral failing. They&#x27;re saying that they ran an internal investigation, with the help of other physics faculty, and found Lewin to be in violation of their institutional sexual harassment policies, and as a result, they&#x27;re removing his content from their platform. This is a perfectly good reason to distance themselves from him, as well as making it clear that they take sexual harassment very seriously by impacting his legacy so negatively.<p>MIT OCW continues to host courses for 8.01 and 8.02, the courses his lectures covered, with lectures given by other faculty[2]. The loss of material to learn from is marginal at best - these videos are for the same courses at the same school with much of the same infrastructure (notes&#x2F;recitation videos&#x2F;etc).<p>[1] <a href="http://www.amazon.com/For-Love-Physics-Rainbow-Journey/dp/1439108277/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;For-Love-Physics-Rainbow-Journey&#x2F;dp&#x2F;14...</a><p>[2] <a href="http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics/8-01-physics-i-fall-2003/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;ocw.mit.edu&#x2F;courses&#x2F;physics&#x2F;8-01-physics-i-fall-2003&#x2F;</a>
galilyou498超过 10 年前
I don&#x27;t know how I feel about this. I mean sexual harassment is just ugly and disgusting, but I did like Lewin. Science is heartless, MIT. So why take those valuable courses offline?
thejdeep超过 10 年前
Absurd. Don&#x27;t think there is a need to remove his lectures ,which benefit the many in the student fraternity, from the edX or MIT OCW.
jcrawfordor超过 10 年前
I think a lot of people who are upset about them removing his lectures probably misunderstand how OCW is being viewed by universities. From the perspective of MIT, these OCW materials are not videos and materials to be preserved for future generations, they&#x27;re a product of the university.<p>We&#x27;re not talking about stripping his materials off the shelves of a library. We&#x27;re talking about taking them off the shelves of a store.<p>And MIT, as a brand, has no intent to sell products (for charge or not) which are associated with sexual harassment. This is even more important in the higher education space than in other industries because of the fact that the instructor is very much part of the product - it is an expectation of academic materials that the author can be contacted with inquiries about them.<p>The choice here for MIT, I think, is not about burning books. It&#x27;s about continuing to present Lewin as one of their products. And when he&#x27;s been found to have harassed women, it&#x27;s obvious that they cannot do so.
dmunoz超过 10 年前
Removing his lectures seems a bit extreme. It&#x27;s their content, though. They do only mention &quot;MIT OpenCourseWare and online MITx courses&quot; though, so hopefully the lectures will stay up on YouTube. They really are excellent lectures.<p>That said, I&#x27;ve watched a good portion of Ramamurti Shankar&#x27;s lectures from Open Yale courses [0]. They&#x27;re pretty good, but perhaps not broken down as logically as the three courses of Lewin&#x27;s.<p>There is also some really good lectures from Leonard Susskind&#x27;s The Theoretical Minimum [1]. However, these are perhaps a step beyond the normal undergraduate lecture series.<p>[0] <a href="http://oyc.yale.edu/physics" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;oyc.yale.edu&#x2F;physics</a><p>[1] <a href="http://theoreticalminimum.com/courses" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;theoreticalminimum.com&#x2F;courses</a>
purplescarf超过 10 年前
I&#x27;m really anxious about this ambiguity of the &quot;sexual harassment&quot;. This guy seems have no way to defend himself if in one of millionth chance that he is innocent.<p>People need information and actual cases to define the boundary. Just &quot;common sense&quot; is not enough. The way that MIT handles the information of investigation is really scary to me.<p>I know that smart guy does stupid things. However, a power that can punish people without going through court or public, isn&#x27;t it scary?<p>Basically, an investigation conducted by a bunch of people behind the door does not hold more credits than an individual. Anybody has the same feeling?
lectrick超过 10 年前
He&#x27;s being punished for irresponsible behavior, fair enough.<p>But the one good he did in the world is now being taken away to the detriment of many. Think of it this way- Right now you can find books in the library written by people who have committed genocides. If we were to ban all the good (or at least of academic value) works of people who also did some very bad things, we&#x27;d have to burn A LOT of media, and arguably to the detriment of us all. Cutting off the nose to spite the face...<p>He should have been punished somehow, but not in this way.<p>Anyway, I&#x27;m sure his lectures will be torrentable, if they&#x27;re that good.
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NamTaf超过 10 年前
I understand why they did what they did, but it&#x27;s a real shame because he was a fantastic teacher and the material on both OCW and edX was incredibly valuable. I took two of his courses on edX and both were among the best of the 10 or so courses I&#x27;ve done on there.<p>I hope another copy of them pops up. It&#x27;d be great for them not to be lost from public availability without MIT having to support it.<p>edit: Of course, I don&#x27;t think I ever archived a copy of these edX courses (it was difficult to) but I&#x27;ll check when I get home.
venomsnake超过 10 年前
Sack the guy, prevent him from teaching. Leave the courses online.<p>Having and excellent resource and not using it is stupid.
davelnewton超过 10 年前
It&#x27;s good they took immediate and decisive action.<p>Aren&#x27;t the courses pre-recorded&#x2F;-written&#x2F;-etc. materials?
ps4fanboy超过 10 年前
This feels like a digital book burning.
kendallpark超过 10 年前
Wow. I&#x27;m really sad to hear this. His online courses got me through E&amp;M back in college.
paulmcb超过 10 年前
Right when I needed to study for my Physics E&amp;M Final...
kercker超过 10 年前
This resembles the practices of universities in China, that when a famous alumnus is accused of corruption, all that remind people of his existence in the campus are removed.
paulmcb超过 10 年前
More like Walter Lewinsky...
Rolpa超过 10 年前
Steve Jobs was an irrefutable dick. So tell me, should we throw all Macintoshes and iPhones into an incinerator?
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DaveSapien超过 10 年前
This is going to turn around and bight them in the ass...