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Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

535 点作者 Aco-超过 10 年前

42 条评论

mwti超过 10 年前
My Keurig&#x27;s electronics died and I was able to recreate them with an Arudino:<p><a href="http://i.imgur.com/1wWxu37.jpg" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;1wWxu37.jpg</a><p>With this I can customize the temperature and use PWM on the pump to adjust pressure&#x2F;flow. :D<p>If I had to use that 2.0 model I&#x27;d just lobotomize it right out of the box.
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josteink超过 10 年前
Discussing &quot;licensing&quot; in a thread about coffee. Fuck.<p>This is not what the future was supposed to be about. The future was supposed to bring us infinite possibilities through the means of technology. It was meant to be awesome.<p>It was not meant to be artificially limited through the means of technology which could have been used to make our lives better instead.<p>Where did we go wrong?
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munificent超过 10 年前
One way to look at the razors and blades business model that Keurig is doing here is like so:<p>1. The consumer purphases product A (here the coffee maker) on the normal consumer market we&#x27;re all familiar with.<p>2. Doing so forces the consumer to purchase product B (here K-cups) on a <i>different</i> market.<p>Keurig&#x27;s goal is to control the second market. By making having all the market power, they can jack up prices to the consumer&#x27;s detriment.<p>The reason you see companies like this invoking the DMCA or using DRM is because they have no actual competitive advantage in that second market. They are at a <i>disadvantage</i> because they burned money selling product A at a loss to get people into their market.
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jack-r-abbit超过 10 年前
This video took me on a little YouTube adventure which led me to this site[1] giving away a little thing to clip onto your K2.0 machine for a nicer looking bypass. I don&#x27;t have a K2.0 machine so I can&#x27;t verify that it works. But it appears to be free so what have you got to lose?<p>[1] <a href="https://www.gourmet-coffee.com/Keurig-DRM-Freedom-Clip.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gourmet-coffee.com&#x2F;Keurig-DRM-Freedom-Clip.html</a>
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snarfy超过 10 年前
Another solution is to not buy Keurig machines.
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tcfunk超过 10 年前
Alternatively, we could stop wasting so much packaging and take 5 minutes to make a pot of coffee.
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intopieces超过 10 年前
For a single cup of coffee, I&#x27;m partial to the AeroPress. It takes a bit more work, but the strange looks I get from my coworkers is worth it.
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JoshTriplett超过 10 年前
It&#x27;s an amusing video, but note that that same barcode is also what provides coffee&#x2F;tea-specific brewing parameters to the machine. Using the same barcode for all cups breaks that. (Using a barcode from one coffee on another seems unlikely to seriously affect the results, though.)
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codemac超过 10 年前
Well, due to content management, I can&#x27;t click play on the video in the website?<p>&gt; This video contains content from SME.<p><a href="https://i.imgur.com/4wlnL22.png" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;4wlnL22.png</a><p>This has happened multiple times to me, today, all from SME. So many things in life require scissors, tape, and hacks to qualify for &quot;decent&quot; to me now.
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qsymmachus超过 10 年前
DRM-free dirt cheap coffee:<p>1. Bring water to boil in a pot<p>2. Add 2 tbsp ground coffee per cup of water<p>3. Kill the heat, cover for 5 mins<p>4. Pour into cup through fine colander or cheese cloth<p>Seriously it&#x27;s delicious and you already have the tools you need in your kitchen.
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jrockway超过 10 年前
Classic replay attack.
nickbauman超过 10 年前
I have owned two Nespresso machines. They were both great for about 8 months. Then no matter how much I &#x27;cleansed&#x27; them they made terrible tasting coffee. You can never get the insides completely clean. I suspect the Keurig has a similar problem. I&#x27;m now back to my ceramic filter cone (one-time $20 cost) and the coffee has never tasted better.
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ThePhysicist超过 10 年前
That&#x27;s a really nice hack, I fear though that the next generation of &quot;broken by design&quot; consumer electronics devices will make use of much more sophisticated DRM technologies to make sure you only use them as intended by the manufacturer.<p>An example is the German startup Bonaverde (<a href="http://www.bonaverde.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bonaverde.com</a>), which manufactures a coffee machine that not only grinds but also roasts your coffee beans. To make sure that you use only their certified (and pricey) coffee beans they include an RFID chip with each package that you have to scan in order to start the brewing process. No tag, no coffee.<p>There is also a Gizmodo article that nicely sums up the Bonaverde story:<p><a href="http://gizmodo.com/kickstarter-project-finds-exciting-new-way-to-screw-its-1663145598" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;gizmodo.com&#x2F;kickstarter-project-finds-exciting-new-wa...</a>
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hw超过 10 年前
Anyone else waiting for the Arist? <a href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/236195807/arist-brews-coffee-like-the-best-baristas-anytime" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kickstarter.com&#x2F;projects&#x2F;236195807&#x2F;arist-brews-c...</a><p>I have a feeling if it&#x27;s successful, it&#x27;s going to give Keurig some headaches.
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adityasankar超过 10 年前
Not siding with Keurig, but just out of curiosity, how would you to create a DRM scheme that can&#x27;t be bypassed with this replay attack? Apparently [0] the DRM works by shining a light on an ink marking and registering the wavelength of the light reflected back.<p>I figure one simple scheme would be to &#x27;burn&#x27; the key after it is read. i.e. physically disable the DRM ink by heat&#x2F;perforation&#x2F;other ink, so that once used, the signature ink cannot be reused. Curious what other HN-ers would come up with. And hoping Keurig doesn&#x27;t get any ideas from this. ;)<p>[0] <a href="http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/30/5857030/keurig-digital-rights-management-coffee-pod-pirates" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theverge.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;6&#x2F;30&#x2F;5857030&#x2F;keurig-digital-rig...</a>
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shmerl超过 10 年前
Does anyone use such junk after they introduced DRM? Such companies deserve oblivion.
programminggeek超过 10 年前
You know what&#x27;s better than using a Keurig? Get an Aeropress. It&#x27;s easy, awesome, and tastes better than Keurig.<p>Also, Aeropress doesn&#x27;t have all that not so eco friendly waste that Keurig&#x27;s K-Cups have.<p>There is no DRM on Aeropress.
mkremer90超过 10 年前
They are officially labeling us as &quot;attackers&quot; on seclists now:<p><a href="http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2014/Dec/37" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;seclists.org&#x2F;fulldisclosure&#x2F;2014&#x2F;Dec&#x2F;37</a>
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logfromblammo超过 10 年前
Approaching this from the perspective of someone who drinks perhaps 250 mL of coffee per year, I am utterly mystified that the commodity coffee beverage product can still support so many niche businesses.<p>In this very discussion, I have seen people describe the way they make their own coffee, and it is almost identical to the way U.S.A.-C.S.A. civil war soldiers made theirs in camp. And I have seen people describe their heavily-modded robotic coffee makers, using consumables pre-processed in bulk by industrial-scale machinery to provide a more consistent product.<p>And this makes me think that Keurig is not just pissing into the wind, but directing their little stream against a waterfall. The coffee market is huge, and more ancient by far than most other product markets. It is also thoroughly commoditized. There is simply no way for any company to enjoy pricing power in it without an improbably vast cartel or some strictly policed patents and trademarks.<p>Why should the collective society of coffee-drinkers indulge Keurig&#x27;s attempt to achieve economic profits (positive returns when considering opportunity cost) by allowing them to differentiate their sub-market to the point where they enjoy pricing power in it? Is their coffee that much better than all available alternatives? I have similar questions about Starbucks. How do they manage to charge more than the basic commodity price?<p>It almost seems as though the coffee itself is not the whole product, but it also includes the ritual and ceremony of preparing it. It also looks quite a bit like the market for wines and beers, where the price that the market will bear is determined mostly by the printing on the label.<p>Given those assumptions, my analysis is that Keurig is approaching their problem from the worst possible angle. Inserting technical countermeasures into the hardware will never work (as repeatedly demonstrated by pwn-your-own-device hackers). They should instead pour that cash into advertising and reward-based psychology. Institute some form of intermittent reward system for using genuine, trademark-branded consumables.<p>You cannot ever employ enough clever engineers to defeat the legion of people with physical possession of the item and a desire to make it do what its owner desires, instead of obeying its pre-programmed manufacturer directives. Annoying your customers simply does not add value to your product.
DigitalSea超过 10 年前
I love how such a simple solution can bypass a DRM scheme that Keurig probably invested considerable time and effort into producing. In some cases DRM is warranted, but for a coffee machine, it is just plain ridiculous and anticompetitive to have DRM to block out competitor coffee pods when history has proven that printer manufacturers like HP have been trying and consistently failing to do this for years now.
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gburt超过 10 年前
Now that I am aware they&#x27;re trying to monopolize small plastic coffee packets, there&#x27;s no possible way I&#x27;d buy anything from them.<p>Build products <i>for</i> consumers, not against them.<p>Although, on second thought, I guess I was never going to buy a Keurig in the first place; producing a ton of trash in exchange for expensive mediocre coffee was enough to convince me it was a bad idea?
giarc超过 10 年前
This Canadian company believes the UV ink on the packaging is not protected and they can simply produce their own cups with the same ink.<p><a href="http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/keurig-s-coffee-supremacy-challenged-by-canadian-firm-1.2787075" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cbc.ca&#x2F;news&#x2F;business&#x2F;keurig-s-coffee-supremacy-ch...</a>
kardos超过 10 年前
Reminds me of this well thought out copy protection from a decade ago: <a href="http://archive.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2002/05/52665" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.wired.com&#x2F;science&#x2F;discoveries&#x2F;news&#x2F;2002&#x2F;05&#x2F;52...</a>
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acd超过 10 年前
Actually this is the same business model as consoles. Sell the hardware at very low to zero margin, make money on the capsules&#x2F;games which sell at a premium.<p>Fun that they hacked this DRM with plain tape
boynamedsue超过 10 年前
He&#x27;s wearing a brass rat! [1]<p>[1] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_class_ring" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;MIT_class_ring</a>
bitwize超过 10 年前
It&#x27;s the coffee equivalent of the bypasses used for certain unlicensed NES and SNES games: the game&#x27;s cartridge had a bracket or port into which you would plug a licensed game, and the unlicensed game had pass-throughs for the signal lines to the system&#x27;s DRM chip, allowing the unlicensed game to use the licensed game&#x27;s authority.
nightmedia超过 10 年前
What is funny is that it would have taken Keurig just a bit more effort to make the chip so that it has an unique signature. That way the machine will store the numbers it had already processed, and this hack would only allow you to cheat if you have more than one machine, but you&#x27;d still need to buy originals half of the time.
jonalmeida超过 10 年前
I have a strange need to watch Star Wars now..<p>Jokes aside, this is a neat hack but I wonder if it would be possible to remove the DRM check from the electronics side itself. I don&#x27;t have a Keurig machine myself, so I wouldn&#x27;t dare opening up one (after making a cup) to see what you could hack at.
michaelbuddy超过 10 年前
Keurig adding DRM was equivalent to a plea to be hacked. But I was thinking, Keurig probably doesn&#x27;t care about people who mod their machines as much as they want to target counterfeiters.
lberk超过 10 年前
I really wonder how much money Keurig has wasted trying to develop DRM for their machines. Would have been better off putting that money into designing better machines.
reginawong超过 10 年前
I almost (not really) want to buy a Keurig machine JUST so I can hack it. Side question: any of you use the term &quot;K-Cups&quot; instead of &quot;Keurig cups&quot;?
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frogpelt超过 10 年前
I think this whole &quot;hack the Keurig 2.0 DRM&quot; has created more press for their coffee maker than they would have otherwise had.<p>I expect them to sell more because of it.
sulami超过 10 年前
Why exactly do we need (to bypass) DRM on a coffee machine?
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bdcravens超过 10 年前
Did the same thing a few years ago with a Tassimo.
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beefsack超过 10 年前
I didn&#x27;t even realise there was something like this on the market, I&#x27;ll notch it up as another reason I love my Aeropress.
shoover超过 10 年前
That&#x27;s a cool hack. It could be handy on the road as more hotels buy these units.
starlineventure超过 10 年前
Nice solution for corporate foolishness
reillyse超过 10 年前
1) Keurig makes terrible coffee why would you ever want to use one? 2) that is all.
0942v8653超过 10 年前
Is this a joke? Seems like a lot of people are falling for it...
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curiously超过 10 年前
When computer vision is used for such evil practices, I am at a loss for words. The music was <i>PERFECT</i>.<p>I wonder what Keurig 3.0 DRM will look like. Would it have some sort of chemical tagging ability which are only found in Keurig coffee? I&#x27;m surprised there isn&#x27;t any public backslash over such predatory practices.<p>What&#x27;s next? A bed that farts because you didn&#x27;t buy the same brand of blankets and pillow? A toilet that won&#x27;t flush because you didn&#x27;t use their brand of cleaner?
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hasenj超过 10 年前
Why use a coffee machine anyway? I never got the point of them. The coffee they make tastes bad anyway.<p>Just use a good old ibrik. It costs $3 to $10 depending on size and where you buy it from. The more expensive ones will probably cost $30?<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2DyulKd6vw" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=v2DyulKd6vw</a>
bauer超过 10 年前
Many bothans died to bring us this information.
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