TE
科技回声
首页24小时热榜最新最佳问答展示工作
GitHubTwitter
首页

科技回声

基于 Next.js 构建的科技新闻平台,提供全球科技新闻和讨论内容。

GitHubTwitter

首页

首页最新最佳问答展示工作

资源链接

HackerNews API原版 HackerNewsNext.js

© 2025 科技回声. 版权所有。

The Death and Life of the 13-Month Calendar

136 点作者 skinofstars超过 10 年前

26 条评论

Tossrock超过 10 年前
&quot;The International Fixed calendar sucked the personality out of marking time, making every week and month as predictable as humanly possible. [...] It&#x27;s an impossible feat that doesn&#x27;t need pulling off and, thankfully, no one is trying to anymore.&quot;<p>Spoken like someone who&#x27;s never had to write date handling logic. Having &quot;personality&quot; in your calendar system is a bug, not a feature. I feel confident that we could maintain our overall levels of personality&#x2F;joie de vivre&#x2F;je ne sais quoi by spending less time dealing with an incredibly arbitrary calendar system and more time doing things we actually enjoy.
评论 #8743022 未加载
评论 #8742111 未加载
评论 #8742537 未加载
评论 #8745674 未加载
评论 #8742541 未加载
IgorPartola超过 10 年前
This. I have been thinking about this for a long time. Basically, 364 days are exactly the same, and what is currently December 31st would become the Year Day where everyone has it off. If it&#x27;s a leap year, there&#x27;d be two Year Days. Simple, efficient, and easy to understand.<p>Birthdays being on the same day of the week is a poor objection: your birthday already falls on a weekday much more often then not, and chances are you celebrate it on the weekend before or after. We&#x27;d lose variability in holidays that are &quot;last Thursday of the month&quot;: they&#x27;d just be on a specific date every year.<p>One nice thing we&#x27;d gain is that the phase of the moon would shift much slower with respect to our calendar (the moon doesn&#x27;t do a Year Day). I suppose some superstitious healthcare workers might object to this. If you think about it, there are many more things naturally tied to 28 days than 28&#x2F;30&#x2F;31.
评论 #8743647 未加载
msoad超过 10 年前
Fun fact:<p>The arabic calendar which is based on Moon movements used to have an extra month every four(?) years to adjust the season changes. It was called Nasi&#x27; month. But after a Quran Sura published that prohibited this month Arabic calendar lost it&#x27;s accuracy for seasons.[1]<p>The Iranian Calendar that is based on sun movements was safe from this Sura because it didn&#x27;t have an extra month but an extra day each five years.[2]<p>[1] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasi%27" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Nasi%27</a><p>[2] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_calendars" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Iranian_calendars</a>
评论 #8742523 未加载
dredmorbius超过 10 年前
Eviatar Zerubavel&#x27;s <i>Seven Day Circle</i> is a detailed and complex history of time telling.<p>It really helps to understand that in a calendar we&#x27;re trying to measure three distinct (and variable) cycles, none of which fits precisely into the others, and each of which imposes its own rhythms on human life. Attempts to break each from the current 7&#x2F;12&#x2F;365 basis have virtually all failed.<p>The first is the Earth&#x27;s rotation about its own axis -- different when measured with respect to the stars or the Sun.<p>The second is that of the Moon about Earth.<p>The third is of the Earth about the Sun.<p>We overlay them on each other and pick rough correspondences.<p>Much of the division has to do with Babylonian time reckoning, based on 360, and its factors: 2 * 2 * 2 * 3 * 3 * 5. From that you find 2, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 18, 20, 24, 30, 45, 72, 90, 180, and 360. A seven-day week doesn&#x27;t fit this directly but is close (between 6 and 8), and a 30-day month also fits well.<p>Then you come to realize that all timekeeping, _especially_ that which picks a specific starting point, is arbitrary.<p>The book also details several attempts to change the system, particularly following the French and Russian revolutions (oh, and the reason for that being the October revolution -- and there&#x27;s the question of what was the last nation to adopt the Gregorian calendar, and why the output of &#x27;cal 1752&#x27; is what it is ... and why even _that_ is arbitrary (it depends on where you&#x27;re specifying the date).<p><a href="http://www.powells.com/biblio/61-9780226981659-2" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.powells.com&#x2F;biblio&#x2F;61-9780226981659-2</a>
评论 #8743049 未加载
评论 #8743875 未加载
0x45696e6172超过 10 年前
This seems to be slightly inferior to the Pax calendar[1].<p>The Pax calendar has another very cool property, which is that the weekdays are always in sync with Gregorian calendar. This is done by carrying over leapdays until you have one full week accumulated, which is then inserted as a leapweek, in the same way we insert leapdays in the Gregorian calendar.<p>[1] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax_Calendar" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Pax_Calendar</a>
kcovia超过 10 年前
Also in alternate calendars:<p><i>Each day in the Republican Calendar was divided into ten hours, each hour into 100 decimal minutes, and each decimal minute into 100 decimal seconds. Thus an hour was 144 conventional minutes (more than twice as long as a conventional hour), a minute was 86.4 conventional seconds (44% longer than a conventional minute), and a second was 0.864 conventional seconds (13.6% shorter than a conventional second).</i><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Republican_Calendar" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;French_Republican_Calendar</a>
ChuckMcM超过 10 年前
When I was at Intel they marked everything in Work Weeks, that was essential for scheduling things like chip fabrication plants. It took a little while to get used to but then it made computing questions of &#x27;when&#x27; quite straight forward.<p>I&#x27;m personally in favor of a more structured system like this, my wife on the other hand is viscerally opposed. If that schism is widespread I expect the next calender change to occur when the known world is ruled by an emperor :-)
SixSigma超过 10 年前
&quot;We&#x27;ve always done it this way&quot; are the seven most expensive words in business. Catherine DeVrye (2000)
frogpelt超过 10 年前
In addition to the 13 month calendar, I wish the year started in March or April. The beginning of Spring* makes more sense for a new year than the middle of winter.<p>*I realize this is only true in the northern hemisphere, but 90% of the world&#x27;s population lives in the Northern Hemisphere. The other 10% can start their year in the Fall.
评论 #8742590 未加载
评论 #8742490 未加载
drdeadringer超过 10 年前
Reading this article is my first exposure to this 13-month calendar [I don&#x27;t count the Simpson&#x27;s episode]. I&#x27;m glad for the read and found it very interesting.
imroot超过 10 年前
This is a little bit different from the accounting 13 month calendar -- an &quot;Adjustment&quot; month that usually falls in the next FY that the accounting&#x2F;auditors can do adjustments and still have &#x27;true&#x27; dates on everything.<p>Honestly, having another month to pay bills (and you know that nobody&#x27;s going to pro-rate everything down to 13 months) isn&#x27;t really appealing right now, nor would the additional overhead of two more payroll cycles.<p>Logically, it makes sense, though.
评论 #8742457 未加载
latortuga超过 10 年前
This would complicate anything that is paid for monthly, including but not limited to: employee salaries, rent&#x2F;mortgage, subscriptions, utilities, etc. Do we just ignore Sol for those purposes or roll it into another month?<p>Having your birthday perpetually on a wednesday would also not be so much fun. Perhaps &quot;year day&quot; could shift every year forward by 1 week day - year day could be Monday and then Jan 1 of the next year could be a Tuesday etc.
评论 #8742006 未加载
评论 #8742241 未加载
kijin超过 10 年前
Using the same calender every year might work fine in America and some of the Western European countries. (According to the article, Easter and Thanksgiving can be given fixed dates in the 13-month calendar.) But many non-Western cultures have holidays tied to phases of the moon. Chinese New Year would still move around a lot from year to year, making it impossible to reuse last year&#x27;s calendar. Ditto for <i>Chuseok</i> in Korea, which needs to coincide with a full moon.<p>So yeah, this looks like a nice change, but it&#x27;s not going to be completely static from year to year in every culture.<p>Besides, I don&#x27;t think it will completely eliminate the difficulty of figuring out what date &quot;next Thursday&quot; is. We at HN tend to be mathematically competent, so we can easily calculate multiples of 7 in our heads and subtract a few without breaking a sweat. Most ordinary people, on the other hand, have difficulty figuring out what date next Monday is even when it&#x27;s Friday and you just need to add 3. They&#x27;ll just look it up in a paper calendar or their mobile device.
seccess超过 10 年前
Okay, but can we come up with a calendar system where the months September, October, November, and December don&#x27;t have the wrong names? It has always bothered me that the prefix sept- means seven, but it is the ninth month, oct- is for the tenth month, etc...
评论 #8744447 未加载
评论 #8743137 未加载
narrator超过 10 年前
There&#x27;s also the ill-fated Soviet Revolutionary Calendar<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_calendar" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Soviet_calendar</a>
评论 #8743785 未加载
caio1982超过 10 年前
Somewhat related: the other day (this week even!) my wife was puzzled by the names of months and she asked me about the meaning of each. If you think about it for a moment you&#x27;ll figure most of them out, but in any case this is a good summary: <a href="http://www.design.caltech.edu/erik/Misc/month_names.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.design.caltech.edu&#x2F;erik&#x2F;Misc&#x2F;month_names.html</a>
Pxtl超过 10 年前
It&#x27;s brilliant, I love it! That said, I&#x27;d be happy just to see the Daylight Saving time-switch left on the dustbin of history.
function_seven超过 10 年前
From the article:<p>&gt; Easter would fall on April 15 every year on Cotsworth&#x27;s calendar<p>I don&#x27;t understand why this would be. Can someone explain?
评论 #8742516 未加载
评论 #8742202 未加载
评论 #8742518 未加载
gtbcb超过 10 年前
I love the idea of a 13 months calendar; however, you&#x27;re birthday would be on the same day every year :0&#x2F;.
评论 #8741925 未加载
hasenj超过 10 年前
Why do we even have a 7-day week?<p>7 and 28 are just as arbitrary as 12.<p>Why do we even have a solar year?<p>If the year was 100 days, we could have a whole year of summer.
评论 #8742082 未加载
评论 #8742533 未加载
评论 #8742089 未加载
评论 #8742553 未加载
评论 #8742090 未加载
cvburgess超过 10 年前
I really like this idea - it makes scheduling things a whole lot easier. I also like the concepts of the one week month and &quot;year day&quot; - for some reason I feel like I&#x27;d get more pumped about year day than I&#x27;ll ever get about new years.
评论 #8742353 未加载
cesarbs超过 10 年前
I wonder what Jews, Seventh Day Adventists, and Sabbatarians in general would think of this.
faehnrich超过 10 年前
Lousy Smarch weather.
minikites超过 10 年前
This makes more sense than switching to the metric system.
评论 #8747791 未加载
gtirloni超过 10 年前
Mars Inc. uses 13-period calendar for everything.
评论 #8743807 未加载
dfar1超过 10 年前
My birthday would always be on a Sunday!
评论 #8742126 未加载
评论 #8742355 未加载