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Old-school desktop using Debian Jessie

58 点作者 vu3rdd超过 10 年前

16 条评论

sciurus超过 10 年前
I tried to live in this world. I still have the puppet modules I used for it up on Github [0]. Start from the base system, disable installing recommended packages, and set up <i>exactly</i> what you want. Marvel at how you can run `pstree` without the output scrolling and that you know what each process does and how to configure it.<p>I&#x27;d switched to this setup after getting fed up with bugs that I couldn&#x27;t get a handle on troubleshooting. Things like NetworkManager forgetting I had a wireless network interface until I restarted my GNOME session. After a while though, constantly tweaking my setup to cope with new needs became tedious. A &quot;stock&quot; linux distribution and desktop environment may have felt opaque, but it offered a lot of integrations and polish that I struggled to replicate.<p>So now I&#x27;m running Ubuntu GNOME and sticking with the LTS. Thankfully I haven&#x27;t had any serious issues. If I do, I&#x27;ll roll up my sleeves and try to learn more about modern linux plumbing instead of running away from it.<p>[0] <a href="https://github.com/sciurus/personal-puppet/tree/master/modules/software/manifests" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;sciurus&#x2F;personal-puppet&#x2F;tree&#x2F;master&#x2F;modul...</a>
sdkmvx超过 10 年前
I run a similar system, but with OpenBSD. I don&#x27;t have to fight systemd and DBus and PulseAudio there. I find OpenBSD to be a much better put together system in general, at the expense of some desktopy things I&#x27;d rather do without anyway.
icebraining超过 10 年前
That&#x27;s how I always install my systems. A few differences in my process:<p>- If you will have net access during installation, get the netinst image instead of downloading 500MB of stuff you won&#x27;t need.<p>- Instead of sprinkling &quot;--no-install-recommends&quot; on every apt command, you can configure it as the default: <a href="http://superuser.com/a/615583/93821" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;superuser.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;615583&#x2F;93821</a>
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kev009超过 10 年前
Seeing the systemd removal steps, it seems like a lot of what has been said about systemd being &#x27;optional&#x27; is becoming less and less true. It&#x27;s spreading tentacles rapidly in the core. If systemd is the direction they (Debian majority) want to go, then go for it, but they falsely placated opposition to get it in and it&#x27;s not surprising to see the departure of developers. I&#x27;ve been left with a bad taste and am jumping off the Linux train for good.
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walterbell超过 10 年前
One way to manage the boundary between &quot;minimal&quot; and &quot;supported&quot; is to use a VM-based system like Qubes.<p>You can simultaneously occupy multiple &quot;timelines&quot;, e.g. hand-built Linux from scratch, Ubuntu LTS, bleeding-edge Debian, and even Windows -- each in an isolated VM.
jackalope超过 10 年前
&quot;mpg123 has no controls...&quot;<p>It does with the -C option:<p><pre><code> -C, --control Enable terminal control keys. By default use &#x27;s&#x27; or the space bar to stop&#x2F;restart (pause, unpause) playback, &#x27;f&#x27; to jump forward to the next song, &#x27;b&#x27; to jump back to the beginning of the song, &#x27;,&#x27; to rewind, &#x27;.&#x27; to fast forward, and &#x27;q&#x27; to quit. Type &#x27;h&#x27; for a full list of available controls. </code></pre> It&#x27;s actually a very competent player, even able to play streams. Mplayer and cmus are also very good for audio playback in a minimalist environment.
abalashov超过 10 年前
That&#x27;s what passes for &quot;old school&quot; these days? No systemd, dBus or an all-encompassing GNOME Politburo? This is my normal Linux installation process. I shudder to think what the &quot;new school&quot; looks like.<p>I was expecting kernel 2.0.30, libc5, ext2, ipfwadm, FVWM 1.0 (not that FVWM2 stuff) or CDE.
VLM超过 10 年前
xterm? urxvt scrolls so fast its invisible.<p>Also xmonad beats icewm.<p>I haven&#x27;t used a USB stick for anything other than OS installs in many years... ditto playing music on a desktop, a thing of the past.<p>I do need my emacs. (edited to add, and my vnc and rdesktop clients to access other machines)<p>And I personally chromium although I can respect the firefox choice.<p>When I read desktop I thought physical desktop as opposed to laptop, but laptop users need wifi... I&#x27;ve personally found that setting up a wifi gui is harder than just manually editing simple and straightforward config files.<p><a href="https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#WPA-PSK_and_WPA2-PSK" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wiki.debian.org&#x2F;WiFi&#x2F;HowToUse#WPA-PSK_and_WPA2-PSK</a><p>You probably only set up one wifi network, unless you&#x27;re one of those coffee shop people.
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bitbckt超过 10 年前
I guess I&#x27;m &quot;old-school&quot;. Get off my lawn.
leephillips超过 10 年前
I wound up with something resembling this installation by going in reverse. I installed Ubuntu, confirmed that all my hardware was working, including suspend, volume buttons, etc (Thinkpads) and then started uninstalling or disabling things, leaving me with no desktop environment, dwm, and a very responsive experience on old hardware.
agumonkey超过 10 年前
Similar philosophy, except archlinux, systemd, wmii (no destkop), no office suite. Emacs, Chromium, mpv, moc, transmission.
spain超过 10 年前
&quot;How to make Debian sorta more like Slackware?&quot;<p>I just thought it was funny how much the end result resembled the default Slackware install. Also for power management I&#x27;d recommend tlp[0] over laptop-mode-tools.<p>[0] <a href="http://linrunner.de/en/tlp/tlp.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;linrunner.de&#x2F;en&#x2F;tlp&#x2F;tlp.html</a>
sklogic超过 10 年前
Old-school is not particularly old. I was expecting something like CDE.
guylhem超过 10 年前
I run a similar setup, on a X60, with more &quot;modern&quot; adaptations :<p>- systemd allows me to have insanely fast boot, and perfect control on what get started at boot. Debian likes to start everything and the kitchensync by default, after you installed it. My systemd is compiled with a non-standard path so only the .services I put there get run.<p>- coreboot replaces the bios, likewise for the added freedom, the hackability, and the speed gains. At the moment I can boot to a command line in less than 5 seconds (because of grub and stuff), but I want to optimize that further (the kernel and systemd each take less than 1 second, coreboot a bit over their total - 3s is feasible now by removing grub menus, but I&#x27;d like less than 2s so I guess I&#x27;ll have to dig into things :-)<p>- xorg is nice because it&#x27;s like having an almost infinite number of VTs. Yeah I know screen and the likes, but there&#x27;re other nice things you get from X, like the ability to display many different fonts, a very large unicode range, graphs, etc.<p>- lxde is quite minimal and non intrusive, yet you get modern things like default application, .desktop file to start programs, etc.<p>- for all my office needs, I use Microsoft Office in wine. Runs very fast, fully unicode aware. That&#x27;s cool because I&#x27;m using a xmodmap for mathematical greek letters in the 3rd level, it all works!!<p>¬∞ &#x2F; ¹≈ &#x2F; ²≠ &#x2F; ³∇ &#x2F; ⁴∀ &#x2F; ⁵∪ &#x2F; ⁶∩ &#x2F; ⁷∈ &#x2F; ⁸⊂ &#x2F; ⁹≽ &#x2F; ⁰≿ &#x2F; ⁻ ⃗ &#x2F; ⁺±<p>θΘ &#x2F; ωΩ &#x2F; ɛƐ &#x2F; ρϱ &#x2F; ꚍꚌ &#x2F; ψΨ &#x2F; υϒ &#x2F; ι∫ &#x2F; ϖϵ &#x2F; πΠ &#x2F; ̂ ̈ &#x2F; ̃ ̧ &#x2F; ̊ ̀<p>α∂ &#x2F; σΣ &#x2F; δΔ &#x2F; φΦ &#x2F; ɣΓ &#x2F; ηϘ &#x2F; ϕϑ &#x2F; 𝟀κ &#x2F; λΛ &#x2F; ̅ ́ &#x2F; ̆ ̇<p>ζϟ &#x2F; ξΞ &#x2F; ςϚ &#x2F; √⊥ &#x2F; βϐ &#x2F; νͲ &#x2F; μϡ &#x2F; ≤≺ &#x2F; ≥≻ &#x2F; &#x2F; ⃝<p>I fully agree that starting from a minimal debian install is the way to go to avoid too much cruft. There are many things I&#x27;m glad I&#x27;m not using, such as NetworkManager and the likes (hopefully to be superseded by systemd some day) but my setup is generally modern enough to do everything I need, while fast enough even on 2006-era hardware, and old-school enough as in &quot;if there&#x27;s a problem, I can pinpoint where it comes from and fix it&quot;<p>It even replaced a very-recent macbook as my default computer.<p>There&#x27;re many gains from using &quot;modern stuff&quot;. I&#x27;d have killed to get something as good as systemd and the current support of wine in the early 2000.<p>My take is to take the best free software has to offer, whether it&#x27;s old or new, to match your needs.<p>EDIT: I boot my laptop whenever I want to use it, because a few seconds is a rounding error, and this saves more power than software suspend. I do suspend when I take a short break. Congrats on the fast boot time without systemd, but it&#x27;s not the easiest way :-) My systemd starts a minimal debian testing in 700 ms. The kernel takes a bit above that.
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sprash超过 10 年前
Also interesting the debian package &quot;usbmount&quot;: auto mounts plugged in sticks as &quot;&#x2F;media&#x2F;usb&quot;
listic超过 10 年前
Is Debian Jessie part relevant? I could do it on Wheezy or Ubuntu?
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