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The Email I Received from Google in 2007 When They Wanted to Buy Zilo (2012)

205 点作者 zakelfassi超过 10 年前

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sillysaurus3超过 10 年前
<i>In March 2007, we signed a term sheet with Mangrove who wanted to invest in Zlio..A few days after, I met a Google Executive who decided to buy the company. For the little story, Zlio, became blacklisted&#x2F;sandboxed by Google 6 months after…. It killed the company…</i><p><i>When I’ve taken a job at Zlio.com in 2007 to start their US operations, with Jeremie Berrebi as a CEO, I was really excited by the growth I was seeing. All signals were green : users, revenues, traction, VC funding. They had it all.<p>A week after I joined the company, Google sandboxed us, and we’ve lost 90% of our traffic. After months and months of work trying to solve our inbound traffic issue, we pretty much all gave up and decided to move on to other things.</i><p>Is it possible they were doing blackhat SEO, which got them banned from Google?<p>Otherwise, this sounds pretty damning for Google. I&#x27;m just trying to think of alternative theories. It seems like if Google were willing to act this way, they&#x27;d have a history of doing so. Do they?<p>EDIT: Yes, probably spam: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4755386" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=4755386</a>
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ar7hur超过 10 年前
A good reminder that an &quot;acquisition proposal&quot; without any indication of price is not an acquisition proposal. Asking so much information without any such indication is just crazy.<p>I strongly recommend this excellent post from Justin Kan: <a href="http://justinkan.com/the-founders-guide-to-selling-your-company" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;justinkan.com&#x2F;the-founders-guide-to-selling-your-comp...</a>
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DanielBMarkham超过 10 年前
Seems like there are only two ways to go forward with a startup:<p>1) Shoot for flipping and acquihire. This is where most folks are going. It probably makes the most sense for an early 20-something<p>2) Stay off the radar because you are uncool, using old tech, doing something stupid, the market&#x27;s not big enough, or so forth. Bootstrap. Don&#x27;t do a lot of PR. Don&#x27;t get attention, because there are a ton of big companies full of guys who ran successful startups who are looking for cool things to work on -- if you don&#x27;t look the right way, they&#x27;ll just run over you and do it on their own.<p>The game-changers like Uber or Facebook probably start out in category 2 and then have such incredible momentum and execution intelligence that by the time they&#x27;re noticed, it&#x27;s too late for followers-on. That&#x27;s a most tricky maneuver to pull off.<p>(Note: I know nothing about startups except having a few that didn&#x27;t pan out, talking to friends online that have some, working in SV, and reading a lot about them. I have as much chance of telling you something useful as the psychic hotline. This is tough stuff.)
unreal37超过 10 年前
The Techcrunch article announcing the company was closing sheds some more light[1].<p>&quot;This decision sentences us... to pay damages for publishing our opinion about Referencement on Twitter. ... This sentence means we cannot go on. &quot;<p>Ultimately, they were fined 10,000 Euros (it seems) for slandering their SEO company on Twitter. But I am sure the challenge of having an open site where anyone can post anything (and modify their own templates) was the root cause. It&#x27;s hard to be totally open to user&#x27;s content and maintain Google&#x27;s domain trust.<p>[1] <a href="http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/19/social-ecommerce-site-zlio-joins-the-deadpool/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;techcrunch.com&#x2F;2011&#x2F;08&#x2F;19&#x2F;social-ecommerce-site-zlio-...</a>
robk超过 10 年前
I think people fail to understand how separate teams work inside Google. In 2007 this would probably have been done by the team working on consumer products like Google Sites. A deal of this size would have been led by an eng director and a PM from those teams. These guys are quite separate from search quality and likely wouldn&#x27;t even interact much or at all unless they were previously acquainted. Same goes for ads - the AdSense team (of which I was a part) wouldn&#x27;t really ever have input on any search quality decisions and vice versa. The execs would not make some top down dictat for us to collude or anything. It just wasn&#x27;t really done.
digitalneal超过 10 年前
&quot;You should realise that we make absolutely sure that no engineers working on similar areas in Google are involved in the assessment of this deal at this stage so we can avoid tainting&quot;<p>Didn&#x27;t they get caught a few months ago doing exactly that? I forget the company but when they got their documents back from Google they had sticky notes all over it asking engineers for workarounds to IP... or am I remember it completely wrong?
SoapSeller超过 10 年前
Previous discussion: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4755288" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=4755288</a>
zhte415超过 10 年前
The email seems very sloppily written, and while not explicitly threatening, throughout implies Google is the Goliath while Zlio could be a possible David, but probably not.<p>Poorly worded email, asking a lot of sensitive information, with nothing specific in guarantee, and not following-up on timeline, with non-specific proposals. Seems like a pretty good reason to avoid a proposal.
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garrettgrimsley超过 10 年前
Title should read Zlio, not Zilo.
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serve_yay超过 10 年前
Seems a bit unsporting to just put their email on front street like that, but I guess on the other hand the way they do these deals is something worth talking about.
dawson超过 10 年前
&quot;Finally, Google needed more than 1 month to close the deal.&quot;<p>So, what happened and why did it fall through?
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lvs超过 10 年前
&quot;Googlely&quot; would be pronounced as goog-lely, which was obviously not the desired idea or part of speech. Perhaps the author meant &quot;Googley&quot; which would be an adjective describing something as Google-like.
mkramlich超过 10 年前
correlation != causation (necessarily)<p>could have been innocent reasons, an algo shift. it happens. sometimes you win the SEO lottery, sometimes they pull the rug out.<p>my own experience: roughly 3-5 years ago (don&#x27;t remember off-hand) I woke up one day to learn that Google had listed me as the top search result, first page, for a particular combo of terms. I forget exactly what it was but it was something like &quot;Java Python Flash Linux game developer&quot; or whatever. I had learned about this from an out-of-the-blue client lead who emailed me. I was shocked when he said that&#x27;s how he found me. I then went around to about a dozen different computers, different types, different geo locations in my state, both auth&#x27;ed and anonymous, and sure enough I always came up as top result, first page. It was... an awesome time to be taking on contract&#x2F;consulting work, let me tell you. So many more leads coming in than before. Not enough hours in the week&#x2F;month to help them, had to turn down otherwise interesting gigs.<p>Then it came to an end. Rug pulled out. Woke up one day, rankings changed, no longer on top like that.<p>Lesson (one anyway): that&#x27;s a huge eyeball funnel. bazillions of people doing searches. even getting a tiny slice of it means tons of eyeballs stumbling upon you. quality is important, of course, being great at what you do, having the right leads, a good fit, avail, etc. But quantity? That has a quality of its own.