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Imagining a society that isn't dominated by police

117 点作者 dollaaron超过 10 年前

16 条评论

jessriedel超过 10 年前
Another one: Any time an agency of the government collects a fine to deter bad behavior, the money must be given to another agency that is significantly removed from the decision making process that sets the fine, or to charity. Likewise for seized goods, etc. If the county police department starts writing more tickets for rolling stops, the money just ends up with the parks department. (Obviously it is possible in principle for different agencies to collude, but the same can be said about all checks and balances. The point is to make coordinating the collusion difficult&#x2F;dangerous.)<p>People can complain all they want about individual instances of civil forfeiture or predatory red-light cameras, but those sorts of issues are all caused by the incentives induced when the agency that enacts the fine benefits from the money collected.<p>(This does not apply to the separate penalties&#x2F;restitution used to compensate victims, pay for fixing actual damage, etc..)<p>If some agencies are currently dependent on revenue through fines, then this requires a one-time adjustment to their budget. But this is good as it just means that the cost of running their agencies becomes more transparent.
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tomp超过 10 年前
No need to &quot;imagine&quot; it. Just come to Europe. I can recommend either the UK or Slovenia based on personal experience, cops are completely domesticated. Portugal, Germany or Netherlands if you want decriminalization. Switzerland for direct democracy. Most EU countries for treating the mentally ill.
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Zigurd超过 10 年前
Two more ideas:<p>Bonding tip-of-the-spear employees of the criminal justice system: cops, prosecutors, parole officers, prison guards. That way you can do away with qualified immunity, municipalities are not on the hook for paying settlements, and thugs price themselves out of the system.<p>Special prosecutors for police crimes.
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enobrev超过 10 年前
I&#x27;m not necessarily &quot;anti-police&quot; but I do agree that treating &quot;criminal&quot; behavior as a mental health issue rather than one to be handled by punitive measures is the best way forward.
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kenesom1超过 10 年前
Disarming most police patrols would be an excellent start. Most of the violence committed against innocent civilians is perpetrated by the police. In major cities like Los Angeles, &quot;no criminal organization kills as many people as the police.” [1]<p>[1] <a href="http://www.fatalencounters.org/shocking-police-homicide-percentages/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fatalencounters.org&#x2F;shocking-police-homicide-perc...</a>
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mikerichards超过 10 年前
As long as we have a society dominated by government, we&#x27;ll have a society dominated by its enforcement agents.
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stevebot超过 10 年前
They recently created uniforms for the Seattle Police department here. Its nebulous what they hope to accomplish with the added surveillance and personally it freaks me out.<p>I&#x27;m not saying were an Orwellian police state but at least we are headed that way.
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tim333超过 10 年前
The article seems pretty US focused. There are a lot of countries out there that are less police dominated that could be used as examples. In the UK where I am the policing is fairly light. It would be hard to say society is dominated by it outside a few bad areas where gangs stab each other so the police have to intervene. I was last stopped by the police about 20 years ago for driving 130mph in a 70 limit and let off with a warning.
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te_platt超过 10 年前
There have been a lot of different ways to make and enforce laws through history, each with their particular costs and benefits. For a review of several I recommend this work (in progress) by David Friedman.<p><a href="http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Academic/Course_Pages/legal_systems_very_different_12/LegalSystemsDraft.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.daviddfriedman.com&#x2F;Academic&#x2F;Course_Pages&#x2F;legal_sy...</a>
anigbrowl超过 10 年前
Another suggestion: abolish the practice of &#x27;perp walks&#x27; and police publication of mugshots. They badly prejudice the right to a fair trial, the government is under no particular obligation to release that information until someone comes up for trial, and they&#x27;re a grotesque infringement on the privacy and dignity of arrestees, many of whom are never even charged with a crime.
mc32超过 10 年前
I can certainly imagine the proposed alternatives. I personally don&#x27;t think they&#x27;ll solve the behavioral issues in society at large. They likely would reduce the amount of policing and supplement traditional policing, but I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;ll eliminate the need. It&#x27;s not as if all countries conspired and said, let&#x27;s all have a police force!<p>I think the policing grows out of necessity. It&#x27;s not as if there aren&#x27;t lawless places where there is either little police or no police. Those places exist, for the most part, most people would choose to live in a different place where there are decently funded police. I&#x27;m not saying &#x27;militarized&#x27; police are necessary or desired, but i think large societies need a force (people or robotic) which enforce the rules (reasonable&#x2F;constitutionally sound) out by the population at large. Maybe a robotic force would be more impartial than people personafying the police force....
KevinEldon超过 10 年前
If you don&#x27;t like police in your community elect officials (or get elected yourself) to stop paying for them. If you don&#x27;t pay the cops they will not show up. I assume many of the commenters on this post have some advantages that would aide in persuading the local citizens of the benefits of transferring funds for police to education, mental health care, tax reduction, or whatever.
kuni-toko-tachi超过 10 年前
Imagine a society not dominated by main stream media. That is much more important. Control the ideas and dialogue, control the people.
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andyl超过 10 年前
I want to patrol my own streets like I want to grow my own food, or supply my own home energy.<p>No thanks. People who provide these services do a better job than I ever will. I&#x27;m thankful that they are there, so I can focus all my energy on writing software.
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omgtehblackbloc超过 10 年前
Someone had to say it.
simonmd超过 10 年前
I don&#x27;t have to imagine it, It&#x27;s called Colombia, where the Police is at best ineffective, and it&#x27;s fxxxxing anarchy.<p>So let&#x27;s imagine instead if the liberal media in the USA had global context instead of complaining because you have a functional police force with a few problems that need correcting.<p>tl;dr First world problems boohoo.
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