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Google and Microsoft Oppose Hotels’ Effort to Block Personal Wi-Fi

115 点作者 ademarre超过 10 年前

16 条评论

cge超过 10 年前
The arguments being made here are absurd.<p>There&#x27;s a huge difference between &quot;causing interference to other signals&quot; or &quot;managing [a hotel&#x27;s] network in order to provide a secure and reliable Wi-Fi service,&quot; and <i>willfully sending malicious packets designed to disable other wireless networks.</i> The latter is buried in the text, but is what they are asking for permission to do. It&#x27;s somewhat unclear how such behavior is an FCC interference issue rather than a criminal matter.<p>It&#x27;s amazing that this is compared to &quot;a homeowner using her cordless telephone that interferes with a neighbor&#x27;s phone&quot; and &quot;a housewife whose use of a baby monitor device causes interference to a neighbor&#x27;s garage door opener.&quot;<p>It does lead to an interesting question: if seeing a wireless network, which an automated system will <i>not</i> be able to confirm is actually on their property (consider the plight of nearby homes and businesses!), constitutes a threat that can be attacked, is it allowable for an adjoining property owner, or a guest with a wireless network, to see the hotel&#x27;s network as a threat, and attack it in the same way?<p>The &quot;alternatives&quot; that hotels might be forced to implement if hotels aren&#x27;t allowed to attack other networks are similarly entertaining:<p>&gt;For example, a hotel could decide to prohibit guests from bringing Part 15 devices on the hotel&#x27;s property. Alternatively, a hotel could limit the areas where Part 15 devices may be used, for example, by restricting their use to guest rooms or common areas.<p>I would love to see any hotel attempt this, even for one day.
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seanp2k2超过 10 年前
Another option: refuse to stay at Marriott-owned hotels. There are lots of other awesome hotels out there, and a lot are cheaper and&#x2F;or nicer than Marriott brands.<p>Related: <a href="http://fortune.com/2014/09/16/marriott-tips-worker-wages/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;fortune.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;09&#x2F;16&#x2F;marriott-tips-worker-wages&#x2F;</a><p>They&#x27;re not exactly the best company out there to be supporting.
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jzelinskie超过 10 年前
&gt;&quot;We remind and warn consumers that it is a violation of federal law to use a cell jammer or similar devices that intentionally block, jam, or interfere with authorized radio communications such as cell phones, police radar, GPS, and Wi-Fi.&quot;[0]<p>Why should this be any different?<p>[0]: <a href="https://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/jamming-cell-phones-and-gps-equipment-against-law" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fcc.gov&#x2F;encyclopedia&#x2F;jamming-cell-phones-and-gps...</a>
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ademarre超过 10 年前
&gt; <i>Marriott has said it had an obligation to protect guests from “rogue wireless hotspots” that could lead to hacking.</i><p>Oh please. It&#x27;s too easy these days to hide behind security and user protection as a motive. FUD mongering.
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derekp7超过 10 年前
There&#x27;s a pretty simple solution to this problem. So lets say that a hotel wants to offer clean reliable wireless to its customers, possibly for a price. This can&#x27;t be done with unlicensed spectrum, since you can&#x27;t get exclusive access to it. The answer is to use licensed spectrum for this purpose.<p>The way this could be implemented, is for a wireless equipment manufacture (or consortium) to purchase a chunk of spectrum, that they can control. Make it an industry standard, so that it gets included in generic client-side wifi chip sets. Then the manufactures can control the usage of the base stations for this private spectrum, so that it is only available in a commercial setting (i.e., places like Marriott would pay a license fee to the consortium to stand up a base station with the private spectrum). The only trick here would be getting industry agreement so that the client side would get widely implemented, so that Marriott&#x27;s (and other venue&#x27;s) customers would be likely to have this spectrum available in their client side devices.
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revelation超过 10 年前
That&#x27;s awkward. Marriott had to settle with the FCC, and as part of that settlement can&#x27;t jam peoples WLAN, but suddenly theres a <i>decision</i> to be made, petitions considered and Google and Microsoft have to beg for the law to be applied?<p>How did that happen, exactly?
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javajosh超过 10 年前
Balls. Big, swinging brass balls. That&#x27;s what the &quot;hospitality&quot; industry has to petition the FCC to allow them to block people&#x27;s personal wifi.<p>No doubt they&#x27;d also like to block cell phone service so that you have to use the room phone.
jessaustin超过 10 年前
Marriott are jackasses and I hope they go out of business, but I&#x27;m not sure I want the FCC to be policing this issue. The &quot;jamming&quot; doesn&#x27;t entail actual radio jamming; they&#x27;re just sending a deauth packet. Unless I very much misunderstand, the problem has been solved if your personal WAP supports protected management frames.
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superuser2超过 10 年前
Managing rouge APs is a legitimate pursuit in many contexts.<p>It is <i>always</i> legitimate for the operator of an Ethernet network to attack, disable, and punish people for attaching unauthorized APs to that network. As a university or corporate IT department, you likely employ access control and monitoring techniques (including WPA2-EAP and 802.1x). An employee or student&#x27;s Best Buy wireless router that strips you of the ability to individually identify users <i>is</i> a major liability. The worst case scenario in this case is a ruling against rouge AP management that does not distinguish between hotspots attached to the corporate network and hotspots merely existing on corporate property.<p>Second, there is a compelling argument against cellular hotspots in contexts like secure corporate and government environments. Many corporations have a self-interest, ethical responsibility, and legal&#x2F;regulatory obligation to monitor and archive employee communication. A personal WiFi hotspot would allow employees to exfiltrate private customer data, bypassing logging and packet inspection schemes.<p>That could be used for anything from a financial rep engaging in prohibited sales practices immune from auditor&#x2F;supervisory eyes and litigator discovery, to a Facebook employee selling chat logs to the highest better, to old-fashioned corporate espionage against R&amp;D work products.<p>Jamming cellular personal hotspot devices in a hotel should be illegal, but for the right reason - it&#x27;s anticompetitive. Same thing as a railroad company selling exclusive carriage to one food company.
Zikes超过 10 年前
If they&#x27;re accessing personal wifi devices without the authorization of the owner of said device, doesn&#x27;t that qualify as a breach of the CFAA?
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Friedduck超过 10 年前
That the FCC isn&#x27;t clearly on the side of consumers speaks to how bought-and-paid-for the Federal government has become.<p>I write, though, to suggest how fun it would be if guests or neighboring properties started jamming hotel wifi in a bit of civil disobedience.<p>I wonder what the FCC would have to say about that (rhetorical, we all know.)
orenbarzilai超过 10 年前
It will backfire for sure. Because stuff like this I prefer to use airBNB over hotels with insane WIFI rates and poor reception in the room.
perlgeek超过 10 年前
Hotels provide light, water, toilets, and often electricity for personal devices for free. I hope it&#x27;s just a matter of time until free Internet access belongs to this group of naturally provided services that you don&#x27;t even have to talk about.
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diltonm超过 10 年前
Good on Google and Microsoft for standing up for what&#x27;s right.
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DyslexicAtheist超过 10 年前
is this a widespread thing in the US or just in the Marriot? I travel a lot mainly within Europe &amp; Asia but never encountered it.
icantthinkofone超过 10 年前
If Marriott, and other hotels, are going to start &quot;to protect guests from “rogue wireless hotspots” that could lead to hacking&quot;, that now makes them communication companies and they should be put under all the laws, restrictions, fees, forms, reporting and obligations that any telecommunication company should be put under.