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Ai Weiwei Is Living in Our Future

514 点作者 dirtyaura超过 10 年前

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rasengan0超过 10 年前
We&#x27;ll all take the red pill someday, but I swallowed the blue one already. I found the article enlightening, reminding me of the continued complacency and abject indifference in favor of convenience and other affordances of mindless empty rewards (yay, startups!) much like the Radiohead 1997 song, Fitter Happier <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_Computer" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;OK_Computer</a><p>I missed the whole Ai Weiwei media storm due to disinterest and made up assumptions about yet another dissenter getting hammered down by the State; like duh? What else is new over &quot;there&quot;? Well on the internets, where is there or here? The article actually made me pause playing FTL to Google Ai WeiWei and watch the streamed Netflix documentary: <a href="http://aiweiweineversorry.com/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;aiweiweineversorry.com&#x2F;</a> Wow, here was someone who could have kept his mouth shut and kept kowtowing to rake in the bucks, but instead choose a new &quot;career path&quot; out of politics and got a fat tax bill for the trouble. Gutsy move or sending a message? Let&#x27;s hope the next generation gives damn.
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sp4ke超过 10 年前
I have always been fascinated by computers and passionate about programming. I never taught I would ever feel ashamed of my passion ... that maybe I have been part of the decline of freedom and privacy, the same things I&#x27;ve always believed in and fought for . I&#x27;ve finished reading again 1984 a short time ago, and I felt sick reading this article and realizing we&#x27;re making a monster.<p>I stopped using Facebook a few months ago and it was not so easy as I thought. Since then, whenever I people ask me I give them my views about keeping privacy and such ... they always have the same reply: Why would you want to hide something ? or We can do nothing about it, everyone does it ... it makes me even sicker when it comes from Tech friends who understand the consequences but just don&#x27;t care about it.
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jgon超过 10 年前
This is easily the most important article currently on the front page. At times its poignancy reminded me of some of the talks by Maciej Ceglowski, aka the guy who runs Pinboard, but this talk is a bit more direct and a bit less funny.<p>The world of coveillance or sousveillance sounds attractive, but I think that a quick look at the state of computing for the average person, and their ability to organize photos, run their own email server, or any number of tasks that would be somewhat analogous to the ability for citizens to have some form of meaningful technological power against large corporations and the government, should dispel this notion pretty quickly.<p>The frog is being slowly boiled right now, and I honestly don&#x27;t have any answers about what to do. All I can think is just to do what I can to use free software, support organizations like the EFF and Mozilla, and work to make sure that my life isn&#x27;t completely captured by giant companies like Google and Apple, as I also try to remain politically engaged at home.<p>Maybe that&#x27;s all any of us can do.
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Punoxysm超过 10 年前
Even if his criticisms of coveillance are correct, I still think the world is headed that way.<p>Simply put, you can&#x27;t put the genie back in the bottle. We passed a similar threshold with industrialization, and the consequent removal of autonomy for workers on several levels (is the 1800&#x27;s factory of exacting time cards and constant repetitive movements that far behind the warehouse the author describes?). It was a tumultuous transition (strikes, revolution, communism, etc.) but we made it through. The transformation in state and corporate power that tools like surveillance bring will be similar, but just like in the industrial revolution we can&#x27;t turn back the clock and have to instead ride out whatever happens.
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sabalaba超过 10 年前
Pretty alarmist writing. &quot;I therefore can’t resist showing a new piece of Google technology: the military robot ‘WildCat’ made by Boston Dynamics which was bought by Google in December 2013&quot;. And goes on to show a video of something that was funded by DARPA well before Google purchased Boston Dynamics. Google has already said multiple times that it won&#x27;t be pursuing any military contracts.
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jeffhiggins超过 10 年前
The uncomfortable truth is that many HN readers are the ones gleefully building these tools.
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kingkawn超过 10 年前
In the efforts to improve surveillance they have given us the tools to subvert it. Yes, they can watch us all, but we can also all watch each other. Yes, we have nothing to be ashamed of, and they no longer control the ability to spread ideas about what is shameful. When they are abusing one person, everyone can know.<p>Ai Wei Wei would not still be in communication with the world without the same technology that is permitting his surveillance.<p>At the same time as the surveillance state is growing, we are being told that all of the platforms that have the broadest potential reach are lame. That facebook is not cool, so any messages you send out on it will be judged by the medium, not the message. We have more than enough power already to reach other with messages that spread faster than a security state can quash them. The Chinese government&#x27;s control isn&#x27;t growing, its faltering. The US government&#x27;s control isn&#x27;t growing. They know more about us all, and can do less to us.
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hansdezwart超过 10 年前
For me as the author of the piece, it is wonderful to find an informed and critical discussion of the themes that I tried to discuss here in the comments. I will likely try and answer some of them here in the next couple of hours and am happy to answer any questions.
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MichaelTieso超过 10 年前
For those in the SF area, I highly recommend going to Alcatraz to experience some of Ai Weiwei&#x27;s work. <a href="http://www.for-site.org/project/ai-weiwei-alcatraz/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.for-site.org&#x2F;project&#x2F;ai-weiwei-alcatraz&#x2F;</a><p>Never Sorry is a fantastic documentary on Ai Weiwei&#x27;s life. I contributed to documentary while it was Kickstarter and got to see it in a theater in DC. <a href="http://aiweiweineversorry.com/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;aiweiweineversorry.com&#x2F;</a>
LiweiZ超过 10 年前
Sorry to digress here. Just want to comment on Ai. He is like many other iconic&#x2F;famous people in the country, who got awards aboard, do things that seem against the ruling party in the country and basically walk away with way less consequences almost every time. Some of them get into short-term jail like hero and after that their experiences worth much more. This is very interesting since average people would probably face fatal consequences, if they did something like that, even once.
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ekianjo超过 10 年前
That was a painful essay. No real point hammered through, jumping from one topic to another without clear logic, and again making it look like companies will be ruling the world in the future, while the surveillance capabilities of goverments far exceed what companies can hope to achieve because they cannot centralize all channels of information.
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patcon超过 10 年前
Hm. This was a hodgepodge. I really sympathized with many criticisms, but others lacked focus.<p>Specifically, I&#x27;m frustrated with the author picking on the idea of police officers wearing cameras. I&#x27;m interested in how we can decentralize and unpackage law enforcement services, so this hit home for me. I&#x27;d like to expound on (de)centralization, community and transparency for a sec, if I can be indulged.<p>Democracy and society today implies distributed power (citizens) mediated by necessary centralized power (law enforcement, elected representatives, judicial systems). This was a choice we made as our societies grew, as it was the only one that technology (postal service, telegraph, horse, guns, etc.) allowed at the time we were working through our options.<p>The small, manageable communities of our past were ones where everyone knew everyone else. There was gossip. Secrets were hard. But this was bundled up with the security we had in these communties. We&#x27;re being dishonest if we become nostalgic for that security and community, and yet conveniently deny the nakedness that is implied.<p>Democracy has been the only way we&#x27;ve known stability in recent history. But it doesn&#x27;t mirror these small communities of our past. We trusted centralized powers to mediate the trust relationships the we lost when we grew up. This allowed us to live in a world where we didn&#x27;t need to ask transparency. So we got used to that being a norm in a society where we felt security and stability.<p>But if we want to build more decentralized a robust societies, we need to accept that sometimes radical transparency is needed for certain institutions to lose their corruptible centers. We need radical transparency for any institution that operates at the scale where we can&#x27;t know and trust one another through the nakedness of personal relationships. We CAN build a decentralized society that has privacy, and we should demand that privacy for situations where it need not be sacrificed. But we can&#x27;t always demonize all forms of radical transparency, as this is the crucial element that will allow the most corruptible of our institutions to be reimagined.<p>OK, sorry, this was perhaps a bit of a rant. If you&#x27;re thinking in similar areas, perhaps the words above will resonate with you. Otherwise, it might sound like an abstract rambling :)
jqm超过 10 年前
Eh... in my experience, most people simply aren&#x27;t worth watching very closely.<p>Favorite part of the article... &quot;he used Craigslist to hire somebody to help him improve his productivity. The idea was that the person would come sit next to him and give him a slap whenever he would not be working...&quot;<p>Love the idea. I recently had a talk w&#x2F; my boss about I was thinking about leaving because I was making many times more on the side than I was with the company. But the one caveat... I needed him to keep being my boss and check on what I was doing. Make sure I was at my desk at 7:30 coding away and didn&#x27;t go home until 5. He laughed quite a bit and said to think about it. I am.<p>I&#x27;m not in favor of massive surveillance, but sometimes knowing we are watched a little helps us at certain times....
brianbarker超过 10 年前
The mentioned novels seem cool, but an even better reference is Feed. Published in 2002 before MySpace was a household name, it pretty much hits the nail on the head in terms of surveillance, marketing and connectedness.
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tomaskafka超过 10 年前
&quot;Hannah Arendt’s understanding of the political domain of the classic city would agree with the equation of walls with law and order. According to Arendt, the political realm is guaranteed by two kinds of walls (or wall like laws): the wall surrounding the city, which defined the zone of the political; and the walls separating private space from the public domain, ensuring the autonomy of the domestic realm.<p>The almost palindromic linguistic structure of law&#x2F;wall helps to further bind these two structures in an interdependency that equates built and legal fabric. The unwalling of the wall invariably becomes the undoing of the law.&quot;<p>&quot;The breaching of the physical, visual and conceptual border&#x2F;wall exposes new domains to political power, and thus draws the clearest physical diagram to the concept of the ‘state of exception’.&quot;<p>&quot;Future military operations in urban terrain will increasingly be dedicated to the use of technologies developed for the purpose of the ‘unwalling of the wall’.<p>This is the architect’s response to the logic of ‘smart weapons’. The latter have paradoxically resulted in higher numbers of civilian casualties simply because the illusion of precision gives the military political complex the necessary justification to use explosives in civilian environments where they cannot be used without endangering, injuring or killing civilians.<p>The imagined benefits of ‘smart destruction’ and attempts to perform ‘sophisticated’ swarming thus bring more destruction over the long term than ‘traditional’ strategies ever did, because these ever more deadly methods combined with the highly manipulative and euphoric theoretical rhetoric used to promulgate them have induced decision makers to authorize their frequent use. Here another use of ‘theory’ as the ultimate ‘smart weapon’ becomes apparent. The military’s seductive use of theoretical and technological discourse seeks to portray war as remote, sterile, easy, quick, intellectual, exciting and even economic (from their own point of view). Violence can thus be projected as tolerable, and the public encouraged to support it.&quot;<p>Eyal Weizman<p>Lethal Theory<p><a href="http://www.skor.nl/_files/Files/OPEN18_P80-99%281%29.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.skor.nl&#x2F;_files&#x2F;Files&#x2F;OPEN18_P80-99%281%29.pdf</a>
mmanfrin超过 10 年前
Egger&#x27;s book that he mentions, The Circle, has unnerved me since I read it. I&#x27;ve noticed myself looking at things I do through the lens of that book, and then continuing with that action. It&#x27;s like I&#x27;m on a bus that&#x27;s headed for a cliff, and I&#x27;ve resigned myself to the fact that it&#x27;s going to go over, so I might as well sit comfortably than make a fuss.
XorNot超过 10 年前
Ai Weiwei isn&#x27;t living in our future, he&#x27;s living in an <i>actual totalitarian-ish nationstate</i>.<p>The degree to which there&#x27;s this encouraged ignorance to what the Chinese government is all about is the story which is of greater concern here: they&#x27;re never not been a brutal regime, they&#x27;re just a trade partner now so the narrative has shifted.<p>What they do, and what they can do isn&#x27;t <i>enabled</i> by technology. It&#x27;s enabled by the simple political and military <i>will</i> to actually kick in doors and arrest and execute people.<p>You want to not live in <i>that</i> world? Then you inform people why the no-fly list is stupid, for a start. <i>How</i> such a list is distributed, generated or updated is irrelevant.
ikusalic超过 10 年前
Beautifully written and expressing most of the concerns that bother me in today&#x27;s world.<p>If you liked the article, I&#x27;d also suggest [1] by moxie. I really liked how he dismantles the I-have-nothing-to-hide argument. Scary, but so true.<p>[1] <a href="http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/we-should-all-have-something-to-hide/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thoughtcrime.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;we-should-all-have-somethin...</a>
squozzer超过 10 年前
Pardon me for &quot;going meta&quot; but it seems that power in the internet age may be less about how much information you have than on how much information you can keep out of the hands of others.<p>For example, just how transparent is Schmidt&#x27;s or Zuckerberg&#x27;s lives compared to ours?<p>Or why the US govt seems to be classifying greater and greater quantities of information?<p>And whether such asymmetries of power help or hurt our welfare.
Intermernet超过 10 年前
&quot;Your lunchtime is exactly 29 minutes. You are fired on the spot if you take a 31 minute lunch as that messes with the planning capabilities of the system.&quot;<p>This is meant to describe &quot;a large shipping warehouse in the US ... (think Amazon)&quot; logistics system. Is this actually in any meaningful way true? If so, I&#x27;m disgusted, naive and disappointed.
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courtf超过 10 年前
&quot;According to him, we have allowed efficiency thinking to optimize our world to such an extent that we have lost the flexibility and slack that is necessary for dealing with failure. This is why we can no longer handle any form of risk.&quot;<p>This rings true to me in many ways, particularly in the way we treat our children. I may have to read Anti-fragile.
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j_lev超过 10 年前
I wish I had read this before Christmas as I was stuck for gifts for younger people.
deanclatworthy超过 10 年前
This documentary looks fantastic. I&#x27;m looking forward to watching this and Citizen Four.<p>A note to anyone who might be reading this before the article, don&#x27;t read it all as it contains spoilers from the documentary.
EGreg超过 10 年前
I wrote quite extensively about this. For example:<p><a href="http://magarshak.com/blog/?p=169" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;magarshak.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;?p=169</a>
narrator超过 10 年前
The Pavlok is really disturbing but cool at the same time. It&#x27;s such a perfect example of technology that could be used for good or evil.
Kiro超过 10 年前
That&#x27;s a fantastic trailer. I need to see this.
drumdance超过 10 年前
That picture of him in a cell with two guards looks like something out of a wax museum.
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ageek123超过 10 年前
We don&#x27;t need to throw the baby out with the bath water. We just need to make sure government doesn&#x27;t get too much power. This doesn&#x27;t have anything to do with Google or Apple (they can&#x27;t put you in jail).
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knappador超过 10 年前
I don&#x27;t really buy the privacy paranoia anymore these days. It was the internet that first grew the distance between people so that we could pretend-anonymous say things about anything without repercussion an it will be the internet that shrinks that distance down to where you better be talking about what matters to you and putting your money where your mouth is.<p>In ten years I&#x27;ll be sharing and leaking at least 10x as much information out of all kinds of devices. 90% of my engagement will happen inside programs will be automatically syncing data across cloud services. Security is inevitably a growing target in the networked world, and privacy requires security. Increasingly for the sake of productivity and collaboration, everything I use will be sharing and syncing more and more. The desire of most people to be connected and productive, not some autocratic slide in the worlds governments will be the death of privacy.<p>One of the features of Facebook I liked in the early days was just the slight exclusiveness that made it basically okay to talk about having a giant hangover without fear of looking like an alcoholic to an interviewer scratching up dirt (I think zero interviews I care about do this). When Facebook started making the defaults public etc without notifications, there was understandably some uproar about being unknowingly thrust out into the public. Eroding privacy causing blunders is not the same thing as not having privacy. For the most part anxiety about not being able to control your privacy or security really need to be analyzed in the context of just how hidden you really need to make your words (in the case of anti-dissent government) or actions (in the case of socially conservative laws) to be able to practice or advocate what it is you care about. To an almost absolute degree, very little of things you want to see in the world that don&#x27;t exist yet are going to require going to war for the cause of security or privacy before your end goals can be pursued, so it&#x27;s just not really worth it.<p>EFF does great work to defend people against stupid laws and to promote better laws with regard to IP etc. They protect anonymity for regular people that happen to cosplay and have very odd taste in character appropriateness. However, the area where the EFF pulled really hard to ensure that the future of the internet would be egalitarian in the United States was about Title II common carrier law, not about privacy. The 1st amendment protects what you say, not some mythical right to say it without consequences; you only get that when nobody cares about your opinion. Even in the case of socially conservative laws, stand up for respect for individual beliefs before you stand up for privacy as an extra-social cure.<p>Privacy is not close to as fundamentally important as the security that is required to achieve it, and privacy advocacy is to an extent like whining about how someone took your tree-house and you can&#x27;t have any secret clubs anymore. Most privacy is not used to do productive things, and few productive things outside of already entrenched, authoritarian governments require privacy to pursue.
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guoqiang2超过 10 年前
Didn&#x27;t go through this TLDR writing, but just briefly scrolling the page.<p>I was so amazed the author can connect Ai Weiwei with the WildCat robot, an image of Obama&#x27;s calling from a camp, and a kid in a car using Disney product.<p>How this can connect together?!<p>If you want to talk about surveillance or privacy, won&#x27;t NSA&#x27;s Snowden be a more famous and impacting example?
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bluekeybox超过 10 年前
No, he&#x27;s not.
sfeng超过 10 年前
&gt; The young boys that had to guard Ai Weiwei in his cell had to stand completely still, weren’t allowed to talk and couldn’t even blink their eyes.<p>This is complete nonsense. You can&#x27;t order someone to not blink.
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rcyn超过 10 年前
&quot;One of the best artists in the world.&quot; Since when do people rank artists. For me, this ruins the whole article. Maybe successful artist or artist with a high media profile. But best? Seriously?
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tim333超过 10 年前
Ai Weiwei is not living our future. I&#x27;m a big fan of Weiwei but being the best known opposition figure against the worlds largest dictatorship is something that&#x27;s unlikely to happen to most of us. Also his &quot;Fuck your mother, the party central committee&quot; themed photos are obviously trying to wind them up. Here in London we have CCTV everywhere and the secret services no doubt have the ability to bug me and read my mail but it effects me and most people not at all - no one is interested especially. I&#x27;d be honoured to be Weiwei.