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Ask HN: Hiring managers want apples, but recruiters are giving them oranges

9 点作者 kedargj超过 10 年前
I run a startup that&#x27;s trying to make hiring managers and recruiters collaborate better to making hiring more efficient. But it&#x27;s proving to be harder than we initially thought.<p>Hiring managers generally say that recruiters have, at best, a low&#x2F; moderate understanding of the jobs they&#x27;re recruiting for.<p>While most recruiters think that they have a very high understanding of the jobs they recruit for.<p>Do you also find this disparity in perception from your experiences?<p>With the common objective being to get an A player on the engineering&#x2F; product&#x2F; design team, what are some ways they can be more collaborative and innovative in their approach to find the apples they need?

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percept超过 10 年前
In my experience recruiters try to provide what the market, via hiring managers, wants, but the hiring manager, collectively, is a fickle entity.<p>&quot;Ninja,&quot; &quot;Rockstar,&quot; &quot;A-player.&quot; You can&#x27;t expect to interest those people in middling jobs from mediocre employers.<p>Fix hiring expectations and you will have gone a long way toward solving the hiring &quot;problem.&quot;
massung超过 10 年前
Some initial thoughts:<p>A good recruiter (is that an oxymoron?) will not have much expertise in the field they are recruiting for. Their experience is in their field. However, a good recruiter should have an excellent relationship with the company they represent. Build on that.<p>Recruiters are akin to realtors. They make their money by putting potential buyers and sellers together and &quot;working their magic&quot; until there is an agreement. They work in qantity, not quality. If you really want to have an impact, fix that.<p>My experience between recruiters and hiring managers has been that hiring managers don&#x27;t have a strong ability to convey to the recruiter what&#x27;s <i>really</i> important and instead toss information at the recruiter that - while technically accurate - isn&#x27;t beneficial long-term. For example, they may list things like...<p>- B.S. or 2-year equiv experience<p>- Be an expert in Python and Django<p>- Understand how to build REST APIs<p>- Willing to move to the Bay area<p>- Excellent communication skills<p>None of these things actually help the recruiter much. A recruiter will see this and have 4 keys to filter off of in a resume search (BS, Python, Django, REST). And if a prospective candidate is capable of spelling correctly in an email that will be an indication of &quot;excellent communication skills&quot;. None of these things will be talked about after the first 10 minutes in an on-site interview. So the recruiter ends up being nothing more than a human-version of a LinkedIn search + initial email.<p>I like to think that hiring managers are smart, good people who would be much happier with a great Ruby programmer who&#x27;s never even seen Python, but can identify problems, be pro-active in fixing them, is capable of learning new things and isn&#x27;t afraid to dive into large, in-place systems, debug, etc. over the candidates that a recruiter would bring them for the above requirements list. But they don&#x27;t know what list to give the recruiter. Fix this.<p>Hope this helps.
siscia超过 10 年前
I am trying an open approach to the problem: <a href="http://siscia.github.io/open-hire/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;siscia.github.io&#x2F;open-hire&#x2F;</a><p>Test candidate via open source; as engineer I would love that, as hiring manager I would get a lot of nice information about the candidate, information that I won&#x27;t get with an code challenge or a white board.<p>If you are interested just send me an email<p>My address is all over the linked page :)
eshaham超过 10 年前
This is a huge problem indeed! The product I&#x27;m building is trying to solve this problem as well, by giving more tools for the recruiters to identify potentially great candidates.