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To Protect His Son, a Father Asks School to Bar Unvaccinated Children

108 点作者 dean超过 10 年前

15 条评论

pzxc超过 10 年前
Some people view their right to not vaccinate, not circumcise, have a home birth of their son and then home-school him, to be an essential religious freedom protected by the first amendment, no different than their right to be a conscientious objector of military conscription.<p>This is a far more complex issue than it appears. Don&#x27;t dismiss it derisively, as if only an idiot could disagree with you. (Not speaking to anyone in particular) (Also not saying I support this position)<p>Edit... ...I guess this is the last time I try to express an unpopular opinion in comments. Ironic that it&#x27;s an opinion I don&#x27;t even hold. Groupthink yay rah rah rah!! :)
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joezydeco超过 10 年前
New York has set such a policy in place and it&#x27;s been upheld through multiple trials and appeals. Perhaps once it&#x27;s settled in the higher courts it will become standard policy in a lot of other places. Once can hope.<p><a href="http://jurist.org/paperchase/2015/01/federal-appeals-court-upholds-new-york-vaccination-requirement.php" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;jurist.org&#x2F;paperchase&#x2F;2015&#x2F;01&#x2F;federal-appeals-court-u...</a>
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WhitneyLand超过 10 年前
In the name of science and our wellbeing, please direct anyone you know who has good faith concerns to the NOVA episode Calling The Shots: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xm9mZ9j-oQ" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=5xm9mZ9j-oQ</a><p>It&#x27;s very accessible, and doesn&#x27;t simply dismiss those who are anti-vaccine. Of course as with many NOVA episodes this one is fascinating regardless of your viewpoint.
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iLoch超过 10 年前
I think Penn and Teller[1] did a good job of explaining vaccinations in layman&#x27;s terms (though I doubt anyone here actually needs an explanation of how or why vaccinations work.)<p>[1] <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdZTZQvuCo" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=RfdZTZQvuCo</a>
pistle超过 10 年前
If schools, as the primary concern, were to be lofted into a position of being &quot;disease free&quot; we should see an interesting dynamic in the tragedy of severe infections, but maybe also in what most people consider milder infections, like cold and flu. When your coworkers are sick, they are often are far more considerate than children can be.<p>Full vaccination, with only exceptions for medical needs like in the article, would be a forgone conclusion if schools also required any child showing signs of mild illness to be kept out of the general population, likely at home.<p>People can&#x27;t deny their children the care and proximity necessary to comfort when the child is ill. This means that children, who are disinclined or too naive to understand how to minimize illness are sent to mix with many other children every day. Every night, they come home and can carry an infection into an entire house.<p>If society were to shift its thinking on rhinovirus, flu, and other &quot;common&quot; illnesses you could likely see a large decline in those. With stronger herd illness-prevention standards of thought and behavior, you could, over time, increase the well-being and productivity of society.<p>We could learn something from the manners of Japanese and other Asian societies that consider it selfish and inconsiderate to not wear masks and take inordinate precaution in helping not get the people around them sick when they are functional, but not well.<p>If that were the standard for common illness, then more severe illnesses with moderate to strong vaccines would be more effective (better compliance) and this situation would be less contentious.<p>Asking the school to be the legal wedge is, sadly, a last ditch effort to do something in an extreme case that should be something that individuals take responsibility for. It shouldn&#x27;t come to this. Vaccinate responsibly and level-up your herd protection game.<p><i>shrug</i> &quot;Kids just get sick all the time. Can&#x27;t do anything about it.&quot; is a horrible cop-out, selfish, lazy, and potentially dangerous to tragic in scale.<p>I&#x27;ve offered to pay hourly coworkers to go home and NOT stay at work. If I miss a day or few of work being miserable, it&#x27;s more valuable to my company&#x2F;employers than the money &quot;handed out.&quot; Pay for performance and let sick people rest... or force them to. Sick kids and adults perform poorly and can take down others with them.
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chrisau超过 10 年前
One thing confuses me.<p>Why are parents of vaccinated kids so terrified of unvaccinated kids??<p>Does vaccination work or not?<p>If my kids are vaccinated, doesn&#x27;t that mean they won&#x27;t catch the disease if they encounter it? Or, at the worst, get a mild dose.<p>If vaccination works, why do we care that a small minority aren&#x27;t vaccinated?
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fubarbaz超过 10 年前
The big issue with forced vaccination is overlooking toxic ingredients in the vaccines themselves, which big pharma has an incentive to use as adjuvants because they are cheap, cheap, cheap, and their lobbyists have granted them immunity from being sued. Stuff like mercury, aluminum, etc. Show us where the mercury free, aluminum free vaccines are and the issue goes away. Everything else is just politico-theater propaganda.<p>That and wtf&#x27;s the use of flu shots if they give you last year&#x27;s influenza strain which will do nothing for this year&#x27;s?
Meekro超过 10 年前
This isn&#x27;t a new concept, but it&#x27;s definitely a good idea. I started public school in Texas around 1992, and they required me to have all the standard vaccinations as a condition of enrollment. Looks like they&#x27;re still doing this: <a href="http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/immunize/school/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dshs.state.tx.us&#x2F;immunize&#x2F;school&#x2F;</a>
gojomo超过 10 年前
Rather than penalizing the parents brave enough to shun modern medicine, let&#x27;s reward them: a free trip to Disneyland for all their families, at the same time, as soon as possible. In fact, let&#x27;s give them a full (checks Wikipedia) 21 days isolated inside &quot;the happiest place on Earth&quot;.
pstuart超过 10 年前
Mockery and ridicule are powerful tools. This is a good application for them.
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hackaflocka超过 10 年前
Is it not better for overall herd immunity for nature to take its own course (i.e., let people with poor immunity die off).<p>I mean, if herd immunity is the argument here, then why not go the whole hog?
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smuss77超过 10 年前
If it was my son and he couldn&#x27;t be vaccinated for a few months I&#x27;d simply hold him out of school until the vaccinations could be administered. I feel for the child and his family, it&#x27;s a horrible thing that happened to them, but talk about solving a simple problem with an activist response. This is how we end up with a ridiculous number of laws and regulations. If we should legislate that every kid in a public school is vaccinated, why would we stop there? Why not legislate every kid that enters a public library be vaccinated? Why not any public place?
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Shivetya超过 10 年前
I do not understand how anyone can be excused from this requirement short of a valid medical reason. How in this day is it allowed?
dustin999超过 10 年前
Here&#x27;s a great idea: move.<p>Here&#x27;s another great idea: homeschool.<p>If everyone is forced to get vaccinations, then I also think we should ban wifi.<p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2576848/I-used-sick-time-Dozens-Americans-claim-allergic-electromagnetic-signals-settle-small-West-Virginia-town-WiFi-banned.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dailymail.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;article-2576848&#x2F;I-used-sick-...</a>
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haiguy超过 10 年前
Do any of you religiously stay up to date on your boosters to stay fully immune to these diseases?<p>Do you advocate shutting down the borders, prosecuting people to the fullest extent of the law that are found illegally in this country, and overall taking every effort to prevent illegal immigrants into the country where we can&#x27;t control their movements amongst the population and have no history of their medical conditions, what diseases they are carrying, and their vaccination status?<p>A few percentage of unvaccinated children are not the hysterical public health threat that some of you make them out to be. In general you always have that percentage not vaccinated always.<p>If third world diseases are popping up again in this country, maybe we should be looking at the unregulated flow of immigrants, and not generally shitting all over affluent, intelligent individuals with healthy children.
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