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Silicon Valley ageism versus the productivity of famous inventors

86 点作者 dollar超过 10 年前

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oillio超过 10 年前
The cynic in me says that this may not be the point of SV ageism.<p>Maybe young founders are preferred because they are cheap and they fail fast. They don&#x27;t have the proverbial family to feed, and they don&#x27;t have enough life experience to worry about going head first in a direction that may contain a blind corner.<p>If you want even more cynicism, it is also possible that less scrupulous VCs find younger founders easier to manipulate, over promise, over work, and under deliver.
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rayiner超过 10 年前
Relevant: <a href="http://www.livescience.com/16911-scientific-breakthroughs-genius-aging.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.livescience.com&#x2F;16911-scientific-breakthroughs-ge...</a> (&quot;By 2000, great work before age 30 almost never happened in any of the three fields. In physics, great achievements by age 40 occurred in only 19 percent of cases by the year 2000, and in chemistry, it almost never occurred.&quot;)
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Multiplayer超过 10 年前
I can see this a few ways. I&#x27;m almost 50. I&#x27;ve had a couple of exits. I&#x27;ve retired and unretired. Being young can have 2 critical advantages: 1. Unlimited time, minimal financial needs. No kids. No spouse. No commitments. You can GRIND away at a problem. You can live on almost nothing. 2. Clean sheet perspective on technology, capabilities, costs, etc. My first T1 of bandwidth (1mbit roughly) to my colocated server cost me $3000 a month. It&#x27;s hard for me to get my head around what&#x27;s real now with the drag of so much accumulated experiential cruft. They are more likely to say, hey how about we do it this way, when I wouldn&#x27;t bother because of outdated perspective on costs and capabilities.<p>Now, I have a ton of experience on how the world really works, which is great. Especially people knowledge. But it&#x27;s really hard to relate to how my kids see the world, having always been connected at high speeds, etc.
ryandrake超过 10 年前
I&#x27;m not sure I get how &quot;number of patents&quot; qualifies as a measure of (or even a proxy for) productivity. In most companies I&#x27;ve worked, those quarterly patent award ceremonies were where they trotted out all those folks who either had nothing else to do besides filing patents, or managers who put their names on the vague ideas their directs were working on. The rest of us were busy actually making the products.<p>I guess this also means those of us who refuse to participate in the patent system on ethical grounds are the least productive people in the world?
peterwwillis超过 10 年前
What does filing patents have to do with productivity? Might as well title it &quot;the smartest people in the entire world&quot; and stack it next to lists of people who have filed the most patents. It does however follow that the older you are, the more time you have to file patents.
astrocyte超过 10 年前
Ageism, Sexism, Racism ...<p>When people want to solve a problem, the problem gets solved. There&#x27;s no proof for the money&#x2F;power men that solving (ageism,sexism,and racism) increases profits. So, it takes a back seat.<p>The brightest minds in the world are centered on how to manipulate the weakest among us. Sounds like a young uncultured&#x2F;unlearned man&#x27;s testosterone fueled dream.<p>High cost of living&#x2F;High tax narrowing focus even further. The crucible .<p>Why do the most significant discoveries center around the age of 30? Because, by then, you&#x27;ve participated in the rat race long enough to understand there is slim to no value in it or the majority of products pushed out of it. You&#x27;ve seen failures. You lived through enough specific experiences to be able to generalize. In your higher order representations of the world you&#x27;ve built, you grasp a deeper meaning to life, society, and knowledge and are truly able to give birth to an idea that serves to truly, deeply, and positively impact the world.<p>So, what happened to equality&#x2F;diversity&#x2F;society? Profits (A short sighted focus that is most easily ingrained in young males who have been taught that the pinnacle of life is carving out a little empire for yourself) .. &#x27;Some&#x27; older men figure out the folly in this pursuit as they do&#x2F;don&#x27;t achieve this goal in a timely fashion. 30 sounds about that age when that happens. Of course, there are some of us who never grow up.<p>Story of the world.
gmarx超过 10 年前
For Edison and Ford at least I guess a lot of those later patents were done by underlings and the boss man put hsi name on it. I couldn&#x27;t tell if the analysis accounted for that
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empressplay超过 10 年前
So let me get this straight: if you can&#x27;t get VC funding and you&#x27;re a woman it&#x27;s not because of your gender, but because of your (perceived lack of) competency; however, if you can&#x27;t get VC funding and you&#x27;re an older man it&#x27;s because of unfair ageism? You folks really don&#x27;t see a double-standard here?<p>Please feel free to correct me if you think I&#x27;m wrong here.
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rdl超过 10 年前
I don&#x27;t think SV is ageist so much as &quot;anti people who were working before the Internet&quot; -- people like Vint Cerf are respected (was on the Internet from early), but the random MBAs who joined&#x2F;founded startups in the late 1990s with no tech experience were pretty useless.
mmm123超过 10 年前
Has there been any stats on the funding rates of applicants by age? It could be that there are more young people applying for funding in general, causing this skew.
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jdawg77超过 10 年前
Interesting to see this and given I filed my first patent pending last month, thought I&#x27;d share my thoughts. I&#x27;m $100k+ in debt; I grew up poor. My parents live on a fixed income, I send them money every month and last year, in 2014, I made the least annual income I have made since 2003.<p>As a divorced father of two, who was fired from his last full time job, and can&#x27;t disclose due to NDA prior work, I&#x27;ve been self employed the majority of my adult life since 2006. Since September, I&#x27;m a former alcoholic, which is news to many - I had drank regularly since I was 18 and only recently realized I could correlate a bit of my drinking to early communication issues that resulted in the &quot;low end,&quot; classes in my first years of education.<p>I digress, though, as the first one in my family in three generations to receive a bachelor&#x27;s degree, life in college and out is hard. In my family, during my &quot;prime,&quot; my business expenses were over 100K per year in 2009 and 2010. However, things came crashing down and changed. It&#x27;s a long, long story. Drinking helps zero.<p>Now, my software is free, I filed a patent pending because I need credibility. The world is flat, as Thomas Friedman said, and growing more so. Ten years ago I spent $50K on my own tools. If I had known then that I&#x27;d need them in 2013, and 2014 again, I would have done what I&#x27;m doing now.<p>Made them free. Open source. Given it away, hoping that with better tools, everybody benefits. That&#x27;s the dream.<p>We got rejected by Ycombinator. I&#x27;ve worked with guys in the news way way more than I&#x27;ll ever be, and I tell a lot of stories, incidentally, most are true.<p>Thanks for reading, I love this site and learn from it daily.
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trhway超过 10 年前
the fact that at the age 42 i&#x27;d still need to be funded if i was doing startup tells a lot about my entrepreneurial abilities :)
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empressplay超过 10 年前
There isn&#x27;t any ageism in Silicon Valley. Younger people are just more willing and capable of filling the required roles. Besides, there are plenty of older people in SV. I see them all the time! This article is just yet another slander to find controversy when there is none.<p>If you&#x27;re older and you&#x27;re not doing well in SV you should take a look at yourself. Maybe you just don&#x27;t have good ideas anymore. Maybe you just don&#x27;t cut it, and should find a place somewhere else. There are plenty of other careers you could switch to that happily accept older people.<p>But there is no ageism in Silicon Valley. Anyone who says there is is just trying to start trouble.<p>(Paraphrasing arguments made against the suggestion of sexism in SV on HN yesterday. Hurts when you&#x27;re on the receiving end, no?)
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