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Joyent Moves to Establish Node.js Foundation

215 点作者 nifoc超过 10 年前

20 条评论

drderidder超过 10 年前
About a year ago I posted &quot;node.js needs a new home&quot; on the mailing list. It started a minor s### storm and a couple of local IBM guys went down to talk to Joyent, which eventually led to the whole advisory board &#x2F; foundation initiative. Mostly it was all back-room discussions between companies taking place in private from the wider community. They&#x27;re great people, but that isn&#x27;t really what I had in mind.<p>IBM&#x27;s cloud offering runs on the PowerPC architecture, and older versions of V8 won&#x27;t run on it, so they can&#x27;t offer Node hosting. They ported a private build of Node to run on PowerPC using a new version of V8, but Joyent has so far refused to upgrade V8 despite having a pull request with all the work done. It looks a lot like Joyent has been dragging their heels on V8 updates just to fend off an IBM cloud service for node.<p>The first five words of the announcement are: &quot;Joyent, IBM, Microsoft, PayPal, Fidelity&quot;. That says a lot right there. StrongLoop, NPM and a bunch of others are excluded, the whole thing seems to have been baked up in private by people who aren&#x27;t core contributors, and then sprung on the community like it&#x27;s some great thing.<p>Maybe it&#x27;s a step in the right direction, but as it stands I&#x27;d expect this foundation to be about as useful as another hole in the head. I&#x27;ve seen enough corporate bad behaviour from some of them to not care about their special little club right now, and I don&#x27;t think it will win too many people over.<p>[Update: Fedor posted about it here <a href="https://medium.com/@iojs/io-js-and-a-node-js-foundation-4e14699fb7be" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@iojs&#x2F;io-js-and-a-node-js-foundation-4e14...</a> ]
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yessed超过 10 年前
Translation: io.js is what people want and Joyent feels threatened that they&#x27;re not in control.<p>So, they&#x27;re making noise and dropping names to try to reinspire confidence, without actually promising anything.<p>Joyent doesn&#x27;t trade, but if they did they&#x27;d be losing a few percentage points today.
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dasil003超过 10 年前
I realize this is biased, but for me Joyent&#x27;s involvement in anything is reason to be suspicious. Back in 2004 me and several hundred others fronted the money to get Joyent (aka TextDrive) off the ground. The marketing was fabulous, they had A-list blogger Dean Allen as founder and spokesperson, and Jason Hoffman as CTO spouting off an unending stream of pie-in-the-sky ideas about how awesome the tech was going to be.<p>Over several years it became clear that Jason was only interested in playing with cool technologies and a lot of public self aggrandizement in the process. However, never did they seem to deliver any stable game changing technology to the level they had hyped. It seems like they eventually they sort of limped out with an alternative platform that could be competitive if you squinted hard enough, and then sold it by means of aforementioned marketing skills. But for those of us who got the company off the ground, we basically all got screwed. And even though Jason has left Joyent, to me their DNA is suspect, and I would never trust them as stewards of an open source project.
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angersock超过 10 年前
Some interesting things.<p>Note that nowhere do they mention io.js--that&#x27;s just kind of classy, right?<p>Second, their tone seems aimed at reassuring senior-level folks that might have heard murmurs of dissent from underlings about node--this release doesn&#x27;t feel like it&#x27;s targeted to developers at all.<p>Lastly, notice Microsoft being on board. I do wonder if they&#x27;ll push for movement off of V8 and onto a better-documented, better-maintained platform.
Lazare超过 10 年前
Call me cynical, but I feel like this:<p>1. Shows that the io.js people correct when they identified the problem<p>2. Doesn&#x27;t solve the problem<p>Prior to this announcement you could say &quot;the io.js people are crazy; just trust in Joyent&quot;. (Not saying you&#x27;d be right, just that you could say it and no be obviously wrong. Isaacs, for example, was a proponent of this view.) Now, even Joyent is admitting that there&#x27;s an issue. But it&#x27;s pretty damn hard to see how the issue could be solved by this specific proposal. Joyent, IBM, Microsoft, PayPal, Fidelity? Right, that totally solves the worries about stagnation, corporate control, or excessive Joyent influence.
serve_yay超过 10 年前
Hey, there&#x27;s an idea! I wonder if anyone ever proposed this to Joyent... over and over and over again.
lordbusiness超过 10 年前
It certainly looks like both parties have desires to reunite with a new understanding of what it means to govern Node.<p><a href="https://medium.com/@iojs/io-js-and-a-node-js-foundation-4e14699fb7be" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@iojs&#x2F;io-js-and-a-node-js-foundation-4e14...</a><p>This would be my wish.
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mwcampbell超过 10 年前
This move surprises me, because Bryan Cantrill doesn&#x27;t seem to like governance and foundations for open-source projects. I wonder if he was overruled on this.
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bhouston超过 10 年前
Weird that Google isn&#x27;t a founding member being that V8 is their creation. But I guess the reasoning is that Node isn&#x27;t used internally at Google as they favor Go for server side code.
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BinaryIdiot超过 10 年前
node.js and io.js really need to merge or one has to die. I can&#x27;t see this turning out well unless one or the other happens.<p>io.js is trying to push the envelope by supporting ES6, more APIs, etc while node.js isn&#x27;t focusing on that. This eventually means if I write my module for node.js it should still work for io.js but if I write it for io.js, even if it does take advantage of better performance, ES6 syntax, etc, it won&#x27;t work for node.js.<p>I can&#x27;t imagine anyone wants that kind of fragmentation.
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oso2k超过 10 年前
It&#x27;s sad, too, that Joyent and&#x2F;or moderator Forest Norvell are rejecting posts to the Google Groups which are non-supportive of the new &quot;Foundation&quot;. Doesn&#x27;t seem like they really have the interests of the &quot;community&quot; in mind, IMO.
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PLenz超过 10 年前
I guess io.js forced their hand.
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jfaucett超过 10 年前
Why all the negativity for Node? Seriously, lots of good developers have spent their time developing this project and all these comments are just about how io.js is so great or node failed at x. As far as I can see this looks like good news:<p>&quot;... to establish the Node.js Foundation, which will be committed to the continued growth and evolution of Node.js, while maintaining a collaborative environment to benefit all users.&quot;<p>An open source project is getting a stable backbone. Come on people, this is great news for developers.
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rayshan超过 10 年前
Listening to panel discussion at Node Summit now, it was discussed by Scott Hammond that Node.js Foundation corporate membership costs $5k to $250k, vague on individual membership
coldtea超过 10 年前
Too little, too late.
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dodyg超过 10 年前
People has to pick a side. It makes no sense supporting two &#x27;compatible-ish&#x27; platforms going forward.
aravan超过 10 年前
Please get tj <a href="https://github.com/tj" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;tj</a> to node.
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RRRA超过 10 年前
What if Hitler finds out about io.js? ;P<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IOukA10QeQ" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=1IOukA10QeQ</a>
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itsbits超过 10 年前
node has to act fast..IO.js is fast catching up..it already supports most of ES6 parts..
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doublerebel超过 10 年前
Anyone who thinks io.js has &quot;won&quot; is a) living in the tech bubble and b) missing the point of the fork.<p>The community at large is unconcerned about io.js, they are developing for node.js because that&#x27;s how they (we) all make money. Node was in no danger for that fact alone.<p>The winner here is the open source community. We now have 2 excellent options: a beta for the bleeding edge, stability for the enterprise, and forward progress for both.<p>ES6 is great, but for anyone who wants to write isomorphic code without a lot of pain in compilers, is limited by browser adoption. Expect that to be at least 3 years out, during which node will continue to succeed.
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