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Samsung's smart TVs are inserting unwanted ads into users' own movies

265 点作者 lukashed超过 10 年前

34 条评论

snarfy超过 10 年前
&gt; Samsung explained that these sorts of ads were supposed to be opt-in only and was working with Yahoo to improve the system.<p>No user would opt-in to commercials, ever. I don&#x27;t believe for a second this system was designed with opt-in in mind.<p>Whenever an ill conceived feature like this is brought to the light, it&#x27;s always explained as a bug, glitch, or some screw up in engineering. Well, it&#x27;s not a bug. It was specifically designed to do what it does. If anybody screwed up it&#x27;s the people at the top that think smart TVs are a good idea.
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belorn超过 10 年前
This business practice of hiding secret drawbacks in Terms of Service need be sent to the courts and stopped. In the history of contact law, the practice has come, been outlawed, reinvented, been outlawed again, and repeated with new schemes every 10-20 year or so. Last time it was Hidden fees and surcharges, before that, incomplete prices and hidden costs. The law adapted and with it business practices, but the lure of addition revenue after sale are still going strong.<p>So instead of hiding costs in contracts, companies now simply takes control of the property they have sold. Same attack vector, same intent as before, and contract law is lagging behind as usually. It is extremely doubtful that this kind of TOS is legal, and without the TOS, Samsung is commercially invading peoples private property. They are not allowed to plant advertisement signs on land they don&#x27;t own, and a TOS which no one reads or understand should not change that fact.
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RIMR超过 10 年前
Smart TVs are completely unnessary. I don&#x27;t want apps on my TV. Sure, apps on something connected to my TV can be nice, but even the most basic TVs have too many features.<p>Built-in speakers? They sound awful and I have an amp. Get rid of them.<p>Oh, you cropped my 1080P HDTV signal? Well, I&#x27;ve plugged in a computer, so I need you to display the whole frame. Oh, less than half of TVs even let you turn that feature off? Well fuck!<p>TVs don&#x27;t need to be anything more than monitors. They can have special features, like 3D, or built-in cameras, but make it something that I can plug into something else.<p>How Samsung thought they could record private conversations in people&#x27;s homes and push ads into their private videos without consequence is unbelievable. I will NEVER buy a smart TV.
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lultimouomo超过 10 年前
&gt; By either selecting that I agree or by not selecting that I disagree, I agree to the Yahoo Connected TV Terms of Service<p>Written under the deselected &quot;I Agree&quot; checkbox, with no &quot;I disagree&quot; option visible.<p>This has to be some kind of record. And on a TV that you paid hundreds if not thousands of dollars, not in some spooky shareware download.
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vidarh超过 10 年前
The whole voice recognition thing seemed to me to be an unfair storm in a teacup to me, but this.... This is beyond ridiculous. My next TV will not be a Samsung, whether they fix this or not.
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Fundlab超过 10 年前
Personally a dumb tv&#x2F;roku&#x2F;media server has been my go to choice. This whole smartTV hype is still beyond me.<p>Could someone please touch on the advantages of a smart TV offerings over my setup?
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jsilence超过 10 年前
It is easy to opt-out of buying Samsung smart TVs.
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mpeg超过 10 年前
A bit disappointing that a hacker community&#x27;s first reaction is to position against smart TVs.<p>Smart TVs are awesome, we just need open source firmware for them in the same way that we have DDWRT&#x2F;OpenWRT, XBMC and such.<p>Imagine the control scheme using a wiimote-style pointer, built-in webcam, quad core CPU and an API to give you access to your viewing habits, or interface with other smart devices around your home.<p>Right now, I turn on my ps4 and the channel doesn&#x27;t change automatically and turn on game mode, why? I have a smart TV, it should know exactly what I want to do.<p>I do still think this is a bug, and not intended by Samsung. My tv doesn&#x27;t seem to be affected by it.
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JohnTHaller超过 10 年前
Smart TVs&#x27; apps generally lag FAR behind the equivalent apps on a Playstation, Xbox, Roku box or similar anyway, so it&#x27;s generally a better option to go with a regular TV. The money you save can more than pay for a Roku box. Or even an Xbox 360 depending on brand.<p>A TV without the annoying apps, added commercials, and privacy issues is a smarter choice. Stop calling them dumb TVs. They&#x27;re &quot;Smarter TVs&quot;.
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arca_vorago超过 10 年前
You know what I&#x27;m curious about? Why so many people rail against GPL for business use, claiming it makes it more difficult to monetize a product, but then companies like Samsung and Google turn around and use GNU&#x2F;Linux and other GPL code on a project and then lock it down with proprietary blobs and DRM.<p>Doesn&#x27;t seem to really be hurting them at all, but it is certainly hurting consumers that linux is being used to abuse peoples rights.<p>If I buy a TV with a quad core processor in it, there is no reason I should not, if I so choose (and potentially void warranty) that I shouldn&#x27;t be able to install whatever I want to on that. The only technical limitations to rooting a Samsung smart tv are artificially placed there by Samesung, and with recent updates they made it so trying to root can brick your TV!<p>I would love to buy a completely FOSS smart tv, but it infuriates me to know I have linux but can&#x27;t do anything with it on mine.<p>Contrary to popular opinion, I&#x27;m increasingly convinced that RMS was just a man ahead of his time and the principles of the GPL are more important than ever to uphold.
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jensen123超过 10 年前
If I had seen this story on The Onion, I would have laughed, and thought &quot;that would never happen in the real world&quot;. But here we are. In the real world. My mind is blown. Just WOW.
occam65超过 10 年前
That&#x27;s it, I&#x27;ve had it. I&#x27;m going to set my router to take all traffic from the MAC address of my TV and route it to 127.0.0.1. I&#x27;ll disable the redirect when I want to check for firmware updates, but that&#x27;s it.
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ourmandave超过 10 年前
They&#x27;re not unwanted ads until you tell Samsung and Yahoo they&#x27;re unwanted.<p>And that convenient opt out is only 5,000 clicks through a maze of twisty passages away.<p>I&#x27;d bet the pop-up confirmation box on the opt-out has a Pepsi ad on it.
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verytrivial超过 10 年前
Attention Samsung mobile phone division! Malignancy detected in TV division! Excise without delay!
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JonFish85超过 10 年前
Just a continuation on a theme, and I&#x27;d expect this to become a bigger thing. I imagine that advertising will continue to move closer and closer to the consumer and away from the &quot;medium&quot;. Until recently, media ads were essentially controlled by the networks (whether radio or TV), but I would expect the trend to be towards cutting them out of it a bit.<p>In-game advertising is already a ~$1bn&#x2F;year thing, and this seems a logical extension of that. Imagine if your TV could insert ads depending on exactly what you were watching, based on your specific habits--it&#x27;s an ad company&#x27;s wet dream. Coca Cola wouldn&#x27;t have to spend the time figuring out which programs to advertise to, they could target specific customers without having to go to a second-order of research (who do we want to advertise to, and where are they?). That second step is completely cut out.<p>I hate it, but I could definitely see a trend in this direction. Isn&#x27;t this essentially exactly what Google Glass is about? If Google can figure out exactly what you&#x27;re looking at, exactly where you are and draw conclusions from that data, they have extraordinarily valuable information for advertisers.
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frik超过 10 年前
The brand new xmax 2014 Samsung SmartTVs models come with a crippled firmware. Many features are disabled until you connect to the internet and &quot;update&quot;. You cannot even use the menu bar (smart hub) and therefor cannot access USB devices. For me this was the only time I attached the TV to the internet. The two different remotes have entirely different navigation buttons and changing a sender with the &quot;mouse remote&quot; is a nightmare. But LG and other TV manufactures are not better. Suggestion: Remove the dozens of buttons on your remote and scrap your complicated menu structure.<p>I would buy an Apple TV (a television screen, not the box) in a second - at least Apple (and Google) understand how to design an user interface. A simple remote like the second generation iPod touch wheel would be enough. Or a dumb TV, but they are already hard to find - and then you have to use at least two remotes with dozens buttons as well.
spiritplumber超过 10 年前
Step 1: Buy a projector. Step 2: Buy a roku box, or a used laptop. Step 3: Buy a decent pair of speakers. Step 4: Set it all up. Step 5: Enjoy a large screen that is also portable, and that probably cost significantly less than the same-size TV would have.
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IgorPartola超过 10 年前
This is why I am not keen on smart TV&#x27;s. They are getting too smart for what they should do. Voice control? Why? Otis slower and more annoying than a simple remote. Streaming content? Unless this is the One True TV the company will make, they will quickly drop support for it. Then, when FooBarTube (tm) comes out and is the new Netflix, good luck getting the software for it.<p>Do what I do: buy the TV for the nice screen and get a Roku 3. Your life will get easier.
mariuolo超过 10 年前
It&#x27;s time to start buying large monitors, I think.
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beloch超过 10 年前
I&#x27;ve become convinced there&#x27;s no such thing as an &quot;opt-in&quot; feature. There are only obfuscated opt-out &quot;features&quot; that companies claim they meant to make &quot;opt-in&quot; as a way of mollifying the few who figure out who is to blame for the &quot;feature&quot;. Meanwhile, the silent majority watches the advertising and Samsung watches the ad bucks roll in.
Evolved超过 10 年前
Isn&#x27;t the solution to this just not having an internet-connected TV? I don&#x27;t know about any of you but of the TVs I&#x27;ve used to run apps, the ones with an Xbox&#x2F;PS or Roku&#x2F;Chromecast&#x2F;AppleTV run YouTube&#x2F;Netflix&#x2F;etc. a lot better than the ones that run these apps natively.
Sharlin超过 10 年前
So... do smart TVs actually have a single feature that&#x27;s actually useful to the consumer?
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click170超过 10 年前
First of all, outbound filtering. You might want to look into it. I&#x27;m installing outbound filters for all my friends and family, with stuff like this it&#x27;s not hard to help them see the benefit.<p>Second, what&#x27;s the big deal? If it only takes 15-30 minutes for an ad to appear, simply return the TV the first time it displays one. I could understand the outrage if the TV waited until after the return period had expired before doing this, but this doesn&#x27;t seem like a big deal to me. Return it and blog about your experience, naming and shaming the manufacturer, and share your experience with your friends and family as well so they can avoid the same mistake.<p>Shame on you Samsung for thinking it would <i>ever</i> be appropriate to insert advertisements into the consumer&#x27;s own content.<p>Edit: As an afterthought, I wonder how the TV behaves if it can&#x27;t access the Internet to download said Ads. Anyone with experience able to speak to this?
bitL超过 10 年前
Basically, buy a NUC or 4K Android XBMC&#x2F;Plex box, and use Smart TVs as dumb TVs with HDMI 2.0 input. BTW, I have just bought a Samsung UHD TV so it&#x27;s completely necessary for me now...
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joannerr超过 10 年前
Samsung may just feel they haven&#x27;t good luck this time. Compared with it, I personally prefer Chromecast or Apple.
debian69超过 10 年前
So like boycott samsung already?
_lce0超过 10 年前
that&#x27;s why I bought a dumb-tv.<p>we need to go dumb-everything: phone, tv, computer, car..
juliangregorian超过 10 年前
And this on top of spying on all your conversations? Sheesh, what kind of world are we inventing for ourselves.
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rathish_g超过 10 年前
It clearly says... SMART TV
gadders超过 10 年前
I am running out of curse words to describe the people that make these decisions.
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acd超过 10 年前
Not so smart Samsung Tvs, not so smart watches with 1 day battery life. Why are these products called smart when they are not? iStupid
hamoid超过 10 年前
In this thread it looks like there are only two options: smart TV and dumb TV. But there&#x27;s a third one: no TV. It has it&#x27;s own set of advantages.
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bane超过 10 年前
I submitted this at the source of the report a few days ago <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9021305" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9021305</a>
EliRivers超过 10 年前
Well of course they fucking are. YOU&#x27;RE THE PRODUCT, punters. They&#x27;re selling you. This isn&#x27;t new. They&#x27;ve been a bit clumsy this time and you&#x27;ve noticed, but nothing will change.
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