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Restoring the Old Way of Warming: Heating People, Not Places

146 点作者 stonlyb超过 10 年前

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alricb超过 10 年前
It better be cheap; it&#x27;s possible to build an affordable house that is well-insulated enough that the plug loads will be higher than the heating loads.<p>In a very cold climate, you also need to keep your house fairly warm to avoid problems like frozen pipes.<p>Ironically, the wasted heat caused by poor building practices can help make buildings more durable by facilitating the drying of the external walls (less of a concern in Europe where houses are often made of masonry instead of wood).
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aridiculous超过 10 年前
I&#x27;ve seen some truly amazing things done with passive solar (i.e. building your house to optimally capture sun radiation and store it. The greenhouse effect on steroids.) Some houses in Maine don&#x27;t have any heating system at all; they are built on certain inclines, angled just the right way, with ideal ratios of windows to insulation. In some cases, large stones are strategically just inside the windows to retain and slowly release heat.<p>It requires an esoteric expertise, lots of charts and graphs, and freedom to customize your plot of land. But it&#x27;s awesome.
jdietrich超过 10 年前
Motorcyclists provide an interesting example of this principle. The extreme windchill experienced by motorcyclists makes it very difficult to keep warm - a rider travelling at 70mph at 0°C experiences a windchill of -18°C.<p>Many riders in northern climates use electrically heated underclothing, which, in conjunction with an insulated outer layer, can keep a rider warm with just a few watts. Better battery technology could make such garments commonplace.
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athenot超过 10 年前
As others pointed out, this older style is more suitable for masonry homes which might be less susceptible to mold and have enough thermal inertia to prevent pipe freezing.<p>On the flip side, you can make your house air-tight and use a heat exchanger to refresh the air while retaining the heat: that&#x27;s the concept of Passive Houses[0]. Not suitable for cooling down hot &amp; humid air (you&#x27;d have a condensation problem) but definitely an option for heating a home.<p>[0] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_house" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Passive_house</a>
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wodenokoto超过 10 年前
At least in Japan and most parts of China, houses are poorly insulated and heating is often from aircon, which means if you want to stay warm, you wear thick clothes inside, sit under a heated blanket and what not.<p>This sucks.<p>Your nose and hands are still cold. If you want to move from the blanket its cold.<p>I don&#x27;t see anything that really addresses this. Yeah, the insulated chair is nice when you sit on it, but what about when you need to get a cup of coffee?
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KevinMS超过 10 年前
I just recently got a heating pad just for this purpose.<p>Its freezing here up in the NE. To save money (apartment has terrible insulation) I got a heating pad with a &#x27;stay on&#x27; feature.<p>Actually I had to get another one because my cat got the idea first and now its hers.<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Sunbeam-2013-912-XpressHeat-Heating-Extra/dp/B005NZ66KU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1423702394&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=heating+pad" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Sunbeam-2013-912-XpressHeat-Heating-Ex...</a><p>Turned the apartment heat down to about 55 (it stays around 60 for some reason), and I move the heating pad back and forth with from my office chair to my lazy boy multiple times a day.<p>Feels great, and I&#x27;m very very comfortable. It must cost almost nothing to run it all day, at least a lot less than heating a 3 bedroom apartment another 10 degrees.
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GregBuchholz超过 10 年前
They&#x27;ve got nothing on this guy:<p>Micro heaters cut 87% off my electric heat bill<p><a href="http://www.richsoil.com/electric-heat.jsp" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.richsoil.com&#x2F;electric-heat.jsp</a>
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ashark超过 10 年前
cmd+f &quot;pipe&quot;<p>0 results found<p>Try setting your heat to, say, 50 degrees F and you may discover you&#x27;ve got some cold spots in your house when the pipes there freeze and burst. Let alone if you try going for lower temperatures, or entirely without whole-house heating.<p>So set it to the low 60s and wear layers? Welcome to what anyone who&#x27;s ever been even <i>close</i> to poor already knows.<p>[edit] Maybe this is more useful in places that already barely need heating. Winter lows in the 20s and 30s (F), that sort of thing.
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OneOneOneOne超过 10 年前
This sounds like a good idea until mold starts growing in your house.<p>Back in the day the houses were not insulated as tightly and people did not shower every day.
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jraedisch超过 10 年前
A complementing approach is to teach yourself and others to tolerate lower temperatures, especially in offices and other environments, where people have to agree on a &quot;comfy&quot; heater setting. I wonder how much energy that could save.
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mikekchar超过 10 年前
I find it interesting that they continually use the past tense in the article. While it is true that the west has largely abandoned these ideas, they are still very strong in the more temperate climates of Asia. I live in Shizuoka prefecture in Japan. It does not get very cold here compared to my home town of Winnipeg, Canada. On the very coldest days it might just dip below freezing at night. While some people heat their homes, my experience is that most do not.<p>It took me a long time to get used to it, but I prefer living this way. Since most people have not experienced it, I will point out a few things.<p>1) I would not do this if the normal daytime temperature was not above freezing. People&#x27;s comments about water pipes bursting, etc, etc are right on. But more to the point, it&#x27;s just plain dangerous for your health. Instead, I would heat the house to just above 5 degrees C (41 F) (see next point).<p>2) From experience, 5 degrees is the point at which my body starts to have trouble. Below that, my extremities shut down and frostbite is absolutely certain unless I am careful. Also, if you do not pay attention to your body, it is easy to get too cold. This can raise your blood pressure. Then when you warm yourself up, your blood pressure can crash. This can give you severe headaches and can even be quite dangerous. To be honest, I&#x27;m actually fine down to freezing temps if I pay attention, but the point at which I need to pay attention seems to be about 5 degrees C.<p>3) Baths&#x2F;showers. Some people commented about mold. Where I live, mold is a constant problem because in the summer it often goes weeks on end without the temperature dropping below 30C (86F) even at night. Humidity is usually in the 80% range. So we have mold problems all the time. The key is to wipe down the surfaces with a towel after you have a bath and to air things out frequently (see next point). But a bath&#x2F;shower (preferably bath) is practically mandatory when it is very cold. If you don&#x27;t warm yourself up at least a few times a day, you will have health problems. The best time is right before you go to bed (this took a <i>lot</i> of getting used to!). That&#x27;s the time your body needs the heat the most.<p>4) Airing out the house. The thing I could never figure out about Japanese culture was opening the windows in the middle of winter every hour or so to &quot;exchange the air&quot;. Many people will use a small kerosene heater, so you need to do this so that you don&#x27;t die of carbon monoxide poisoning. We use a charcoal hibachi (ceramic vase with ashes -- not a BBQ) to heat small areas and need to do the same. But even if you are using fancy electric radiant heaters (see below), Japanese people air out their houses frequently. That&#x27;s because they aren&#x27;t heating the air. I now do it religiously too and I&#x27;m convinced that it makes me feel better (the old me would think me absolutely crazy and probably many people reading this think so too!)<p>5) Even though you are heating bodies, not air, it is best to create small microclimates as stated in the article. Sliding paper doors and shoji screens are the traditional way of doing it in Japan. A low coffee table with a blanket over it and possibly a heater underneath as well (kotatsu) is amazingly nice. It always seems a shame to destroy the cozy atmosphere when you &quot;exchange the air&quot;, but since the space is small, it heats up again very quickly.<p>6) In Japan they recently came out with &quot;smart&quot; heaters. They have cameras which can identify people and aim jets of warm air at the people. I&#x27;ve never actually tried it, but people tell me they are amazing. Heating bodies, not air does not have to be low tech!<p>7) Within reason, getting cold and then getting warm again is a pleasurable experience. The thing I look forward to most in the winter are things like jumping into bed with a hot water bottle when you are cold (seriously, if you have never tried it, it&#x27;s incredible). Eating hot soups and stews in the winter are amazing. Warming your hands with a hot cup of coffee is wonderful.<p>When I first came to Japan, I asked an old woman what I could do to learn Japanese culture. She told me that to be Japanese is to be acutely aware of the seasons. It is the contrast that makes life interesting. In the winter it is cold and in the summer it is hot. Avoiding the season by constantly adjusting your environment robs you of that contrast. Over many years, I have learned to appreciate and enjoy that advice, although at first it was horrible ;-) With time and experience, though, I feel that I am much better off living this way. I hope this proves to be interesting to those who have never experienced this way of life.
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merraksh超过 10 年前
Seems related to a recent news about nanowire clothes for personal heating:<p><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8856501" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=8856501</a><p>This said, I tried working at my computer for a few hours in a cold room with layers on but, obviously, no gloves, and my hands didn&#x27;t like it.<p>The same was at school age: to save on heating we&#x27;d only heat up the kitchen (around 19C, 65F) so my brothers and I would do our homework there instead of our rooms (15C, or 59F).
tim333超过 10 年前
I spent a couple of months on a mountain at temps down to -20C and high winds with no heating without getting cold by wearing a down suit like this<p><a href="http://www.rockrun.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/e/x/exped-suit__03382.jpg" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rockrun.com&#x2F;media&#x2F;catalog&#x2F;product&#x2F;cache&#x2F;1&#x2F;image&#x2F;9...</a><p>but I can&#x27;t see it catching on. People like their comforts.
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marcusgarvey超过 10 年前
I remember seeing something about an idea to use individual wristbands that would give off electric impulses which would make you <i>feel</i> cooler or warmer. I believe some prototypes were being worked on. Wish I could recall the people &#x2F; startup involved. Does it ring a bell for anyone?
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Scoundreller超过 10 年前
3 Points:<p>1. Cars are moving into this with heated seats, and even heated steering wheels. Electric cars in cooler climates that don&#x27;t have the excess heat production of an IC engine will depend on it to keep occupants warm.<p>2. There was an article a while back on HN about a fellow that had a computer desk with a heated keyboard, heated mouse, heated floor mat (designed for animal cages) and a warm incandescent light pointing at them.<p>3. The IoT can&#x27;t happen fast enough. I want my electric blanket to talk to my HVAC system to know when to turn each other on or off. And my HVAC to interact with my flight schedule or my phone&#x27;s GPS to turn up&#x2F;down the temperature and <i>know</i> when to turn on so it&#x27;s still toasty when I get home.
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erikb超过 10 年前
I don&#x27;t know about other people but since I have to pay for heating I am deeply interested in this topic. The article provides a conclusion, but what are solution options? How to exactly use the classic principles with modern technology for more efficiency?<p>And the second point is that I am a lot more comfortable in an air heated system than a radiator system. Having a radiator warming me means one side of me is too warm and the other too cold, also eyes and breathing pathways get dried out a lot more, and I still need more clothing. Wearing less and having no dried eyes is a clear advantage of air heating.
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empressplay超过 10 年前
Down here in Australia central heating is (also) not very common, and at least around Melbourne it can dip to freezing or below throughout July and August. Generally only one room of the house is heated (often the room with the air conditioner on heat setting). Beds have electric blankets or hot water bottles, and otherwise you wear several layers if you want to be warm elsewhere. The curious thing is that gas is prevalent but gas furnaces are not, and electricity is too expensive to use to heat an entire house.
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tomohawk超过 10 年前
Makes me think of this: <a href="http://www.richsoil.com/rocket-stove-mass-heater.jsp" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.richsoil.com&#x2F;rocket-stove-mass-heater.jsp</a>
praptak超过 10 年前
Christopher Alexander (of the Patterns fame) gives props to this concept in &quot;A Pattern Language&quot;: Pattern 230, &quot;Radiant Heat&quot;:<a href="http://patterns-dev.github.io/patterns/newpat/newpat230/newpat230.htm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;patterns-dev.github.io&#x2F;patterns&#x2F;newpat&#x2F;newpat230&#x2F;newp...</a>
username223超过 10 年前
I&#x27;m disappointed not to see anything about &quot;Human Heater.&quot; Just microwave &#x27;em!
thewarrior超过 10 年前
This reminds me of Human Heater from HBO&#x27;s Silicon Valley.
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sanatgersappa超过 10 年前
or you could just move to the tropics ;-)
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