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Are You Living In a Computer Simulation? (2003)

52 点作者 theunamedguy超过 10 年前

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Udo超过 10 年前
The simulation argument is an interesting intellectual exercise, and I&#x27;d charitably expand the definition of such simulations to universes of an artificial nature in general, but it&#x27;s still just a thought experiment about something which cannot be falsified. Granted, it&#x27;s a fascinating one, but it shares too many traits with <i>The Invisible Dragon in my Garage</i> to be of profound scientific value.<p>It&#x27;s worth taking into account that people tend to have two entirely separate ideas about the nature of any such simulation.<p>The first one is a Matrix-like universe: a world designed from the ground up to be an illusion specifically for us - a computer program so idiosyncratic as to be utterly implausible, which only cares about deceiving human minds into living in an artificial environment. This is the concept of a computer simulation always invoked by the popular media whenever this subject comes up.<p>The second one, which is what scientists usually mean, is an actual simulation that merely runs the basic processes of physics from which all the other things in the universe emerge - and these include accidentally, among other things and quite marginally, intelligent life forms such as humans. It&#x27;s merely an uncaring physics simulation indistinguishable from a &quot;natural&quot; universe.<p>In the end both of these are scientifically barren concepts. The Matrix is an implausible just-so story with quasi-religious undertones, and it&#x27;s a concept that exhibits quite a few glaring holes the closer you look at its practical implications - holes which seem like they are in disagreement with daily observation and hence should lend themselves to falsification. The cold physics simulation on the other hand, while it doesn&#x27;t share the intellectual weaknesses of the Matrix, gets us rapidly to a point where we might ask what difference it makes at all whether the fabric of reality is running on an artificial or &quot;natural&quot; substrate if there is no hope of ever finding out.
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tjradcliffe超过 10 年前
No: <a href="http://www.tjradcliffe.com/?p=1220" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tjradcliffe.com&#x2F;?p=1220</a><p>Or if we are, the universe simulating us has completely different physics from the one we live in, which have to be fully specified before the &quot;argument&quot; becomes remotely plausible.
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uptown超过 10 年前
I doubt anybody would bother programming Chia Pets in a simulation, so I&#x27;m going with no.
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O____________O超过 10 年前
<i>(2) any posthuman civilization is extremely unlikely to run a significant number of simulations of their evolutionary history (or variations thereof)</i><p>I&#x27;ve always thought this part was, by far, the most likely. It would be unethical to create a simulation in which the simulated beings were sophisticated enough to be self-aware and capable of significant suffering. It&#x27;s the same thing that&#x27;s caused me to shift from &quot;I don&#x27;t believe in god&quot; to &quot;I believe there probably isn&#x27;t a god&quot;. For example, infants have been raped in Africa due to the virgin cleansing myth, and every year thousands of people kill themselves due to unmanageable misery. Not to mention the way that so many people die of &quot;natural&quot; causes, e.g. drowning in their own phlegm only to be revived by hospital staff for another go-around.
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tessierashpool超过 10 年前
protip: if you substitute &quot;in a computer simulation&quot; with &quot;inside some dude&#x27;s dream,&quot; you discover a vast amount of prior research on this topic was conducted by everybody who ever smoked their first joint.
ccvannorman超过 10 年前
One of my favorite books, Idlewilde, is about a simulation that we created for just 9 people because the rest died of an incurable disease, and these 9 would need to repopulate the human race. A very good reason to have a simulation in my opinion. The book handles the wakeup in a pretty interesting way.<p>The best part is nested simulations -- if you&#x27;re toying around with simulations like Oculus Rift and then you wake up from Earth-sim, it starts to become a game of &quot;where the actual f_k am I really?&quot;
hartator超过 10 年前
I think I am the only one who think humans will never manage to build something that complex.<p>Come on: (1) We still have to use humans for motion capture in order to make 3d realistic. (2) We still haven&#x27;t come up with an IA to chat with. (3) We still haven&#x27;t figure out what&#x27;s the smallest unit in the matter, if matter is a thing.
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briholt超过 10 年前
So, in summary either (1) no, we don&#x27;t; (2) no, we don&#x27;t; or (3) yes, we do.
cnp超过 10 年前
Author of this book as well: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superintelligence:_Paths,_Dangers,_Strategies" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Superintelligence:_Paths,_Dange...</a>
cayblood超过 10 年前
For further exploration of some of the ramifications of this hypothesis, see <a href="http://www.new-god-argument.com/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.new-god-argument.com&#x2F;</a>
aceperry超过 10 年前
Maybe I am.<p><i>Don&#x27;t</i> unplug the computer!
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curiously超过 10 年前
Well I don&#x27;t believe we are in a computer simulation per say but I think there are certain properties that certainly make it seem like we are.<p>For example, I believe that conciousness can transcend to anything. We could just be some collective consciousness. When we are born we have no memory of our previous life. When we die we have no memory of our current one. So this suggest to me that it is entirely possible that we are continually living in different bodies, different animals, different entities that collectively make up reality.<p>For instance, I learned that even animals take drugs to get high when they are stressed. That they feel affection and love just like humans. This tells me that our conciousness is overrated. It also suggests to me that it could entirely be possible that we live in some giant cess pool of conciousness, some network of consciousness that is constantly reproducing and dying like cells.<p>so if our concousness lives through different bodies over time, then it is entirely possible that the current reality we live is also a transient state of being.<p>it scares me how I came to know this and I&#x27;m not even on drugs or have done drugs in a long time.
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logn超过 10 年前
We could be living in a multi-verse world. That&#x27;s partly what the LHC experiments are trying to discern. If there are infinitely many universes then I think it would make it less likely we&#x27;re in a simulation even if we are able to create our own simulation.
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