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The Miracle of Minneapolis

82 点作者 r2b2超过 10 年前

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bovermyer超过 10 年前
I live in Minneapolis, in one of the &quot;less safe&quot; neighborhoods. Compared to the house I lived in in Philadelphia, which had bars on the first-story windows, it&#x27;s perfectly fine from a crime proximity standpoint.<p>The house is 2500 sq.ft., with four bedrooms and three stories (not counting the basement), and we pay about $1200 a month for it. The neighbors are quiet and there aren&#x27;t too many break-ins in the area.<p>Cost of living is wonderfully low here. Being smack in the middle of the country, and close to Canada, we have access to a ton of stuff that other areas just don&#x27;t get. As a major transport hub, we also get extremely fresh seafood, which makes the local sushi scene vibrant.<p>Music, art, and entertainment are huge here. If it&#x27;s a day ending in y, there&#x27;s something going on somewhere in the metro.<p>There are a number of tech meetups in the area. I go to a few, like GoMN, AWS MN, and PHPMN. I&#x27;m thinking of swapping out GoMN for RubyMN - we&#x27;ll see. There&#x27;s a handful of tech conferences here, too.<p>The Twin Cities definitely feels like a Millennial city. Like there&#x27;s a ton of potential, and it&#x27;s not just on its way to greatness, it&#x27;s starting to achieve it.<p>That is not to say it&#x27;s flawless - like any place inhabited by humans, it has its problems. But the benefits vastly outweigh the drawbacks.
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adventured超过 10 年前
Minneapolis also has a serious crime problem the article completely ignores.<p>It has about a 10 murder rate (per 100k people). Which is over twice the national average, higher than SF, twice that of Salt Lake City and 50%+ higher than NYC (but lower than Pittsburgh).<p>It has over five times the rape rate of SF or NYC.<p>It has twice the robbery rate of NYC, Salt Lake (and higher than SF or Pittsburgh).<p>An assault rate higher than those other cities, and twice that of SF.<p>And a burglary rate three or four times higher than NYC, and twice that of SF.
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toddgardner超过 10 年前
Considering talent, you also must consider the culture of the region. Minnesotans are generally very understated and humble. I have met many people here who at first blush consider themselves average, but are amazingly talented.<p>There are truly amazing people here. They just aren&#x27;t broadcasting it--and their not looking for work.
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johnjackamend超过 10 年前
Lived in MN for 18 years now in Southern California. If and when you can afford to leave MN, you do it. I pay the same amount that I would for an entire house per month in MPLS for a single in Santa Barbara and that would put people off. But to me, I get to scrap that whole 5-9 months worth of Siberian weather and inevitable seasonal depression and have an inspiring environment.<p>People who have never lived in MN and read these articles with even the slightest interest in moving to the state are simply out of their minds. My opinion of course.<p>80% of my peers are MPLS millennials working for Target Corp., Best Buy, and slew of start-ups and marketing firms and there isn&#x27;t one person I know that would even blink at the price difference if they had the opportunity to move to a coastal region. If you have the chance to leave MN you do.<p>Tax me out the ass, increase my rent, and inflate my prices, I do not care, as long as I get to see blue skies for more than 2 months a year (If you&#x27;re lucky).<p>I am simply an MN ex-pat hater but I find that the coastal cities are bustling and expensive because the $$ is worth your sanity.
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joshjkim超过 10 年前
Very interesting article. I&#x27;ve actually been kicking around the idea that the midwest will see a braindrain-reversal in the next 20 years, similar to China + India + etc. (where elite educated foreign professionals&#x2F;entrepreneurs who historically sought the US market are actually realizing equal&#x2F;better opportunity back home, and also a more comfortable&#x2F;familiar lifestyle).<p>Cities like Minneapolis, Cleveland, St. Louis and Pittsburgh still can&#x27;t necessarily compete with tier 1 finance&#x2F;law&#x2F;tech opportunities and gross compensation in NY&#x2F;SF&#x2F;LA&#x2F;etc., but more and more they are offering a solid job market (particularly within the healthcare industry) and more affordable living to the point where net compensation may be the same, if not greater than in the &quot;elite&quot; coastal markets (corporate lawyers in Manhattan feel less rich than corporate lawyers in Cleveland, I&#x27;m pretty sure - who knows).<p>I think the other key is that these cities not only offer good jobs and affordable housing, but also offer a true &quot;city culture&quot;, including a good food&#x2F;bar scene, farmers markets, art galleries, a strong local music scene + music venues that are on the national act rotation, all with a more casual vibe than NY or SF offers (subjective statement: last time I was in Cleveland it felt more like Brooklyn than Brooklyn). Whether it&#x27;s better or worse is a matter of opinion, but I guess my point is that those factors exist in many mid-western cities, and these are the things that professionals moving into cities really want (and pay higher rent for) and really miss when they move to the suburbs.<p>Unlike the folks returning back to China or India however (who often times work even harder for an even greater potential upside back in their motherland), the choice to return&#x2F;remain in a more regional city may often be driven by a lifestyle choice - a mid-level manager working in Pittsburgh will likely work less, make the same&#x2F;more and, in the immediate social environment, hold higher status than the mid-level manager in Silicon Valley who is slaving away 80 hours a week to make an IPO happen for a 35 year old soon-to-be billionaire founder (the big&#x2F;small fish&#x2F;pond concept) - of course the big draw in SF is that YOU could be that founder, and there&#x27;s less of those opportunities in Pittsburgh (at least in theory, and for now). I think this also ties into the relative wealth equality and socioeconomic integration when compared to NY&#x2F;SF&#x2F;etc., which was well-described in the article.<p>Anyhow, just a thought - to be honest, much of my conjecture is driven by my own desire to move to Cleveland for a lot of the reasons above, but at the end of the day I have not and probably won&#x27;t (I tell myself it has at least a large part to do with the fact that I was born&#x2F;raised in the Bay Area and all my family&#x2F;friends live here, but I have to admit that part of me still wants to be in the big pond at the end of the day, as chill as it looks in a smaller one - of course that could change haha).
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ianbicking超过 10 年前
I come from Minneapolis and moved back here as an adult. A few observations:<p>1) Of course lots of stuff still sucks, this is a low bar for miracles ;)<p>2) The region of influence is huge – going west the next real city is Seattle. This has always been an important part of the city, first for lumber, then agriculture, and now medicine and education.<p>3) Sure there&#x27;s a brain drain, but we also have that large region draining into this city. Rural areas produce smart and interesting people as well.<p>4) Government is quite competent. I get a broad and consistent sense that people who work in government, elected or not, see it as a form of service.<p>5) Government is generally fiscally conservative. Not bullshit fiscal conservatism, but the kind that keeps expenditures low AND taxes high. As a result the squeezes we have had (the same everyone has had lately) haven&#x27;t been too destructive.<p>6) Minneapolis is embedded in a quite large county, that includes a lot of suburbs and even some rural areas (even if those are dwindling). Minneapolis is not the majority of the county, population or area. I know many urbanists get excited about unified governments like Indianapolis where county and city take on the same boundaries. I think that&#x27;s unsafe – you can get shit done, but shit can also fall apart. St. Louis is a good counterexample.<p>7) We&#x27;re even less unified than that, because Minneapolis and St. Paul make up one metro area, the two being largely indistinguishable from each other. I liked this opinion piece on the problems with city government: <a href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/07/19/urban_malgovernment_lack_of_partisan_competition_is_a_disaster.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.slate.com&#x2F;blogs&#x2F;moneybox&#x2F;2013&#x2F;07&#x2F;19&#x2F;urban_malgove...</a> – specifically the problem with a lack of political competition in core cities. Like most big cities Minneapolis is almost one-party (there&#x27;s a Green Party that manages to just barely hold on to relevancy), but the competition between Minneapolis and St. Paul I think helps keep both of them honest. It&#x27;s a friendly competition, but it helps moderate things. For instance, a useful critique lately has been that St. Paul Public Schools manages to spend considerably less and has better outcomes, for a student body that looks largely the same. I&#x27;m hoping we explore that further.<p>8) Cost of living isn&#x27;t that low. Lower than San Francisco, sure, but everything in the U.S. is cheaper than that. We don&#x27;t have the bursts of speculation that drive prices up in weird ways, and we have the naturally suppressive power of our weather, but it&#x27;s not cheap.<p>9) There are many criticisms of the disparities here – that Minnesota generally and Minneapolis along with it have a greater difference in outcomes for whites and minorities, across many measures. Some of these are problematic (I&#x27;m very unhappy with our policing), but some of the criticism I think is unwarranted. We have a large Somali population, for instance. They are struggling. But they JUST MOVED FROM SOMALIA. Families torn apart, no background in an educational or economic system like here, I&#x27;m certain many people hold trauma from their experiences in Somalia. Of course they aren&#x27;t doing awesomely. But they are doing okay, and all considered that&#x27;s kind of incredible. And that population is in Minnesota ENTIRELY because of our social services. And I&#x27;m glad this community can use its wealth to help these people, but the talk of disparities is just off. I think this is largely true for many of the minorities here who are fairly recent immigrants, we could do better but we&#x27;re also doing good by them. (The same assessment doesn&#x27;t really apply to Native Americans, that&#x27;s a sad situation where this community is not living up to its obligations.)
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robodale超过 10 年前
LeadPages is based out of Minneapolis...and they kick as much or more ass than any startup San Fran can produce.