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Are humans getting cleverer?

48 点作者 sebgr大约 10 年前

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gwern大约 10 年前
&gt; Focusing on one part of the IQ test, the Raven&#x27;s Progressive Matrices, they found that on average intelligence has risen the equivalent of 20 IQ points since 1950. IQ tests are designed to ensure that the average result is always 100, so this is a significant jump.<p>The problem is, that&#x27;s about the <i>only</i> part that has risen. The limited number of subtests showing the gains has long been one of the big question marks about how the Flynn effect could possibly be about the underlying intelligence rather than an artifact (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Flynn_effect</a>).<p>&gt; This is a puzzle not just for the US, but for all countries demonstrating the Flynn Effect. &quot;Does it make sense,&quot; Flynn wrote in one paper, &quot;to assume that at one time almost 40% of Dutch men lacked the capacity to understand soccer, their most favoured national sport?&quot;<p>This sort of point comes up often, but it&#x27;s not a good point to make. The people discussing IQ tests typically have lived in a tight bubble their entire lives and have not meaningfully interacted with the general population. They typically have even less interaction with the populations of poor countries who might be comparable to long ago. For example, just today I was reading a Wired article which remarks offhand that &quot;In some areas of the country, up to 40 percent of children under 5 are affected. The effects are mental as well as physical. A 2008 study by the National Intelligence Council found that a quarter of North Korean military conscripts are disqualified for cognitive disabilities&quot;. Flynn asks whether it&#x27;s possible for a quarter of Dutch men at some point to not be able to follow soccer well; I ask whether it&#x27;s possible for a quarter of North Korean men to be rejected by the notoriously voracious NK military because they are too stupid or mentally broken. The latter seems to be true, however...
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weeksie大约 10 年前
I would be surprised if humans are getting smarter. Show me the selective pressure on intelligence in the modern world, because I don&#x27;t see it. You don&#x27;t have to be smart to be evolutionarily fit. Not even close. I&#x27;d be very surprised if humans were changing much as far as cognitive capability is concerned, animals that become domesticated almost universally have smaller brains than their wild counterparts.
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hyperion2010大约 10 年前
I remember reading about the Flynn effect awhile back. Can&#x27;t find the exact article, but this one [1] will do. This quote really does it for me:<p>&quot;The second factor is what Alexander Luria discovered when he tested rural Russian peasants in the 1930s. He discovered that pre-scientific people can&#x27;t take the hypothetical seriously. That is, if you pose to them questions like, &quot;There is snow at the North Pole; where there is snow, bears are white; what color are bears at the North Pole?&quot; they would say, &quot;Well, I&#x27;ve only seen brown bears. And only if a person came from the North Pole with testimony would I believe that the bears there are white.&quot;<p>It seems like the brain doesn&#x27;t think abstractly when it doesn&#x27;t need to, and for many thousands of years it didn&#x27;t. The nice thing about culture and education is that it seems like more than just knowledge is passed down. Whole modes and ways of thinking, perspectives on the world that are useful and revealing now exist in the greater collective consciousness. We can&#x27;t really measure this, but I think it makes a huge difference that there is this idea that everything in the world is not simply magical or arbitrary and that given the right tools we can figure it out. The idea that there ARE knowable underlying principles that govern the universe (even randomness!) completely changes the way that we think about the world.<p>1. <a href="http://www.apa.org/monitor/2013/03/smarter.aspx" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.apa.org&#x2F;monitor&#x2F;2013&#x2F;03&#x2F;smarter.aspx</a>
rndn大约 10 年前
Daniel Dennett explains the Flynn effect with a trickle down effect of engineering knowledge to the general public (as an example he mentions percentage calculation). It provides people with more useful thinking tools than what is traditionally passed on, which makes people more efficient thinkers and thus they achieve higher scores in IQ tests.
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svachalek大约 10 年前
As to the last point in the article about why we don&#x27;t have so many more geniuses, I&#x27;d like to add the possibility that it&#x27;s similar to longevity: although we are seeing the average lifespan increase dramatically, the upper end is not really moving. It seems that more people are just living their full lifespan.<p>Perhaps it&#x27;s the same with intelligence, where more of us are forced to develop to our potential now but we haven&#x27;t necessarily raised the bar for our species. I think if you look at other statistics such as college attendance rates they would support this scenario.
tracker1大约 10 年前
All this means is that the spread of intelligence is more homogenized towards the center (100 being average). What I&#x27;d be more curious about is the spread of those people in the top 5-10%, or even some more raw comparison data, not necessarily averages or spread.<p>Given some truly clueless people I&#x27;ve interacted with in my lifetime, it seems to me that there are plenty of people who may have more generalized knowledge or even be able to reason about some things better but still can&#x27;t think of a way out of a paper bag let alone a box.<p>Just because you can use an iPhone, or a remote control for a TV with some understanding of how it works isn&#x27;t the same as being able to build one. The average man in the 60&#x27;s in the U.S. had a better understanding of relatively simple things like changing a light switch, or replacing a toilet than the average man today. Understanding more of the machines we use every day is being lost in recent generations imho.<p>TFA mentions reasoning over memorizing names and numbers, but doesn&#x27;t mention much in support of that.. I&#x27;d say general health of the overall population beyond historic poverty and starvation has had more effect than actual increases in human reasoning.
Brodersen大约 10 年前
Yes humans are getting more clever, and I find it quite easy to see why. As times are changing, certain personality traits become more preferable, advantageous and then attractive.<p>More than ever is it attractive to be intelligent. We celebrate Intelligence like never before. Intelligence is more likely to lead to work&#x2F;money&#x2F;power, and people are more likely to seek mates that are intelligent.<p>Any trait that is preferable at the time, is more likely to lead to offsprings. Ask your local sperm bank.<p>I&#x27;m not saying I think it&#x27;s the only, or necessarily the most important trait (Hitler was likely quite intelligent), but it is increasingly important, and therefore increasingly likely to affect the human evolution.<p>Human evolution is constantly changing us, and I&#x27;d say it makes little to no sense, to argue that our intelligence specifically, is not changing with it (for better or worse). But with our short lifespan, it might not change fast enough for some to recognize it.
JoeAltmaier大约 10 年前
Folks tested in the 40&#x27;s and 50&#x27;s averaged IQ 70. Were they dumber then? Or just not as test-savvy, having less exposure to education, logic etc? What we call IQ today can be boosted by exposure to more cognitive tools (memorization, speed reading, puzzles and games)
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smutticus大约 10 年前
&quot;cleverer&quot; or &quot;more clever&quot;<p>I think I prefer more clever.
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JoeAltmaier大约 10 年前
Socializing in close quarters (civilization) provides pressure to compete in more technical ways than brute force. Rule-lawyering, arguing, backstabbing etc. You might call that &#x27;cleverer&#x27;.
buckbova大约 10 年前
So the opposite of the premise of Idiocracy is true?
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qiqing大约 10 年前
Fewer women are also dying in childbirth as nations get more developed. Slightly relevant.
mseepgood大约 10 年前
No, my observation is that the youth is getting dumber and dumber with every year.
anonymousfox大约 10 年前
Perhaps a result of epigenetics?
Sevzi大约 10 年前
I assume this is one of those statistics that is the opposite of what is commonly thought? Crime rate is another (most think it is going up, while it&#x27;s been going down for decades).