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I code like a girl

93 点作者 sixty4bit大约 10 年前

19 条评论

kazinator大约 10 年前
&gt; <i>What is now considered a male-dominated field, was once defined as “women’s work.”</i><p>Once? It&#x27;s naive to think that these attitudes do not persist, albeit in somewhat disguised forms, perhaps.<p>At some universities, for instance, engineers regard CS majors as &quot;wimps&quot;. Engineering is hard, CS is soft.<p>Moreover, think about how there is an attitude that some &quot;softer&quot; or &quot;easier&quot; programming is lower on the pecking order. While programming as a broad category may not be &quot;women&#x27;s work&quot;, web design (even with client and server scripting) is &quot;for girls&quot; and, say, writing drivers for a network switch is for &quot;real men&quot;.<p>Oh, the hard&#x2F;soft stereotyping in digital tech is alive and kicking!
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lorddoig大约 10 年前
Sometimes I get a little happy - maybe even proud - when I read about the achievements of women who pioneered this field (especially the <i>awesome</i> Admiral Hopper.)<p>Then I stop smiling and remind myself that, even in praise, <i>it&#x27;s not relevant.</i>
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xenophonf大约 10 年前
It&#x27;s a damn shame that ENIAC&#x27;s programmers and those that followed them get no greater mention in the annals of history than the footnote that &quot;computers before 1945 were women&quot;. I had a really good CSSE education, yet until recently, if you asked me to name a notable female computer scientist, Countess Lovelace or Grace Hopper would be the only person to come to mind, and I would be a little hazy on their accomplishments to boot (then, I would have said something about Hopper creating COBOL when her work was really quite a bit more fundamental and wide ranging than that, and as for Lady Lovelace, even now without peeking at Wikipedia, I think she had something to do with the math surrounding Babbage&#x27;s engines and couldn&#x27;t be more specific). It took a recent Imgur posting to become aware of people like Margaret Hamilton, who _led_ some absolutely astounding work for the Apollo Program. I&#x27;m sure there are other women of whom I&#x27;m ignorant that are every bit as important to modern computer science and software engineering as luminaries such as Turing or von Neumann. If some kind of history of the profession is to be included (and I think it should), there should at least be some mention of them during one&#x27;s CSSE education.
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MollyR大约 10 年前
Why can&#x27;t we just code like professionals ?<p>Sidenote: Disclaimer: I was heavily influenced by my Biology professors. I don&#x27;t think society evolved in vacuum separate from genetic evolution. So while I don&#x27;t appreciate insulting people by gender. I do however think there are gender differences.<p>Another person on HN linked me to this documentary, which opened my mind. <a href="https://vimeo.com/19707588" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;vimeo.com&#x2F;19707588</a>
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ianstallings大约 10 年前
On the topic of equality in general - As an <i>old man</i> and a father of a 22 year old woman let me tell you what I&#x27;ve observed - women don&#x27;t need your help and when you act like they need your protection you&#x27;re no better than someone who treats them as weaklings. It&#x27;s a fine line and imho the best bet is to just treat them as you would anyone else.
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smhenderson大约 10 年前
A good read. Although I was surprised the grandmother of programming, Ada Lovelace, wasn&#x27;t mentioned.<p><i>Ada Lovelace, was an English mathematician and writer chiefly known for her work on Charles Babbage&#x27;s early mechanical general-purpose computer, the Analytical Engine. Her notes on the engine include what is recognised as the first algorithm intended to be carried out by a machine. Because of this, she is often described as the world&#x27;s first computer programmer.</i><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_Lovelace" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Ada_Lovelace</a>
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zx2c4大约 10 年前
<p><pre><code> &gt; &quot;Software design and programming were considered clerical work.&quot; </code></pre> I realize that there&#x27;s a certain art of code, and even a science that goes into the underlying algorithms, languages, and methodologies. Indeed I&#x27;ve spent the majority of my life now in one way or another transfixed by software development.<p>But it seems to me that the vast amount of code written is still, in fact, &quot;clerical work&quot;. Whether it&#x27;s gluing together enterpriseBeanBuilderExpressionListMochaBusinessLogicAuditingFactories, or hooking up your node.js to your express.js to your bootstrap.js to transfer JSON over REST into your DOM, or even converting your 4000 character, 50 pipe bash one-liners into nicely polished scripts that properly account for exit codes, handle non-standard locations for sysfs, and work on a multitude of platforms, at the end of the day, a lot of this really does come down to clerical-style work. The difference is that the language, terminology, abstractions, and platforms are more obtuse than the previous generation&#x27;s clerical work. The nouns are different and strange, but the predicates are all the same.<p>There are indeed wondrous areas in computer science and software engineering, but I think for most of us, we&#x27;re just doing fairly menial work. We feel smart doing it, because it&#x27;s still new enough that the objects and content of it are still uncustomary for most folks, and in fact the best of secretaries and clerks have indeed possessed great intelligence. But at the end of the day, we need to recognize that most of what we do is mere clerical work, glorified only by the odd shapes of the more obscure symbol keys on our keyboards.<p><i>ducks</i><p>&quot;I swear, by clerical, I meant the clergy!&quot;<p><i>ducks again</i>
fmitchell0大约 10 年前
&gt; It becomes increasingly important to value each member of a programming team regardless of gender, age, race, or creed to attract and keep the best minds to build our future software.<p>And this is actually what you don&#x27;t want to do. You don&#x27;t want to ignore gender, age, race, or creed. You want people to understand it, be open to the value it brings, connect with others outside their comfort zone, and embrace the differences. Doing things &#x27;regardless&#x27; is how we&#x27;ve got here in the first place. We are all different. Ignoring those differences is not helping the problem.
hobs大约 10 年前
I have never heard anyone in real life tell a woman that she &quot;codes like a girl.&quot;, as if that would be a diss anyway?<p>Given that anyone with even a basic understanding of history would be awed by some of the women in the industry (ada and grace anyone), you would have to pretty stupid to come to the conclusion that women cant code.
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M8大约 10 年前
<i>&quot;The only human labor noted in the press was the initial design of the machine, which was performed by men.&quot;</i><p>Who gets the credit for e.g. iPhone? Chinese workers? That person who was tweaking the icons to look pixel-perfect (pre-iOS7)? CEO?
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nadam大约 10 年前
It think this has nothing to do with gender: In those early projects those who got the biggest respect (like John Neumann) have done the intellectual heavy-lifting. Seriously, that guy was a genius. Today it is the same way: The CTO or chief scientist of an elite company gets much bigger respect than a subordinate programmer who mostly does what he&#x2F;she is instructed to do. This is not a gender issue in my opinion. Women like Yahho CEO Marissa Mayer or researcher&#x2F;Coursera founder Daphne Koller are much more respected than an average programer guy maybe at a mediocre company.
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maaaats大约 10 年前
I&#x27;ve heard <i>You punch like a girl</i>, <i>You drive like a girl</i> and similar before, but never <i>You code like a girl</i>. Which is good, I guess.
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myself248大约 10 年前
Tip for anyone having trouble reading this in Chrome: Hit F12, select &quot;elements&quot;, go over to &quot;Styles&quot;, and scroll down to find the &quot;font-weight&quot; and &quot;color&quot; entries, and uncheck them. This will let the default (readable!) font settings show through. For those of us who spend a lot of time on needlework and other fine tasks, it helps a lot!<p>I don&#x27;t know squat about CSS or how to fix this for real, but I&#x27;ve bumbled around enough to be able to override this crap when it makes an article physically uncomfortable to read.
kazinator大约 10 年前
By the way, note that a &quot;woman&#x27;s work is never done&quot;---aha! I missed this obvious connection to software at first. :)
throwawayaway大约 10 年前
the title is provocative, but the content is better.<p>it&#x27;s funny how grown women are referred to as girls, yet it&#x27;s less common that grown men are referred to as boys - in my experience.
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huehue大约 10 年前
TIL programmers evolved from being secretaries to bricklayers.
cbd1984大约 10 年前
Why is mentioning transphobia such a downvote-trigger?
cbd1984大约 10 年前
Flagged for being transphobic and gender-essentialist.
cbd1984大约 10 年前
Flagged for being transphobic.