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I Quit: What really goes on at Apple

1215 点作者 andrew_gs大约 10 年前

68 条评论

exelius大约 10 年前
But... the author worked in customer support, managing agents. Customer support in <i>any</i> company is like this: it&#x27;s full of bobblehead managers who make work to justify their own jobs. It&#x27;s a cost center, and cost centers are where you put executives who are capable, but not exceptional. This is why OP has stories about how firing people was considered heroic -- when you work in a cost center, the only thing the business cares about is getting the same results for less money.<p>Cost centers also tend to have very toxic work environments as a result: people are constantly reminded that the business can and will go on without them. Hence the epidemic of throwing people under the bus, trying to &quot;catch&quot; coworkers in a screw-up, etc. You don&#x27;t have to be the fastest zebra, just faster than the slowest one.
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nostrademons大约 10 年前
One of my friends used to work at Apple. After one particular grueling stint of 14+ hour days, management decided to give them a thank-you. In the form of vouchers. For frozen dinners. Meanwhile, all of his friends worked for Google, we got gourmet food every meal of the week as a standard perk, and we were usually home by 8 or 9 PM rather than midnight. It&#x27;s sorta like &quot;Your &#x27;thank you&#x27; is really more like a giant &#x27;fuck you&#x27;&quot;.<p>He works for Google now.<p>My cousin also works for Apple, and after complaining about crunch time and how he had to check the bug queue when I was visiting him on a Saturday, I asked him &quot;So, how long has crunch time lasted?&quot; He replied, &quot;Oh, about 18 months. Makes it really hard to date when I don&#x27;t get any weekends.&quot; (He&#x27;s in his 40s now, still no girlfriend.)
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archagon大约 10 年前
In &quot;Becoming Steve Jobs&quot;, Tim Cook says the following in regards to Apple&#x27;s collusion scandal:<p>&quot;I know where Steve&#x27;s head was. He wasn&#x27;t doing anything to hold down salaries; it never came up. He had a simple objective: if we were working together on something, like with Intel, where we threw everything in the middle of the table and said, &#x27;let&#x27;s convert the Mac to the Intel processor&#x27;, well, when we did that, we didn&#x27;t want them poaching our employees that they were meeting, and they didn&#x27;t want us poaching theirs. Doesn&#x27;t it make sense that you wouldn&#x27;t, that it&#x27;s an OK thing? I don&#x27;t think for a minute he thought he was doing anything bad. And I don&#x27;t think he was thinking about saving any money. He was just very protective of his employees.&quot;<p>Ed Catmull of Pixar, a seemingly gentle person, is similarly unapologetic about the issue. Why is it that, at a certain level, intelligent company leaders seem to stop thinking of their employees as individuals and instead start thinking of them as company assets?<p>(I don&#x27;t mean this as an anti-Apple comment. In fact, I want to give Jobs, Cook, and Catmull the benefit of the doubt, in the sense that they probably <i>did</i> approach the issue from the perspective of doing what&#x27;s best for their companies, not as a quick way to save some paltry money. But that&#x27;s kind of the underlying problem, isn&#x27;t it? Once you&#x27;ve internalized the idea that your employees are company assets — that they aren&#x27;t hard workers who make the company tick, but that they literally <i>are</i> the company — it&#x27;s easy to slide down the slippery slope towards incredibly unethical and shady dealings like collusion. I wonder how this can be avoided.)
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blabla_blublu大约 10 年前
Former engineer @ Apple - some insight from my side. There is no one culture that pervades through the entire organization. Some software teams are chill, some are not, hardware side of things can be long hours for people. Can&#x27;t really speak for customer care&#x2F;marketing&#x2F;retail&#x2F;design.<p>1. I think most of us here understand that a single bad experience cannot reflect the culture in the company. Previously I was in a few other tech companies, where my experience was quite similar in nature. Some teams have inherently crappy people, leading to crappy culture. Ultimately it boils down to the manager and the members of the team when it comes to the question of fostering a culture.<p>2. The culture in my team(software) was mostly relaxed. Most of my colleagues did a 8-9 hour days on average. Of course, there were days(very rare) it became a 10-12 hour shift.<p>3. I am a firm believer in the fact that the employee needs to set the expectations straight, right off the bat. If you run the wheel like a hamster on steroids in the first few months, sucking up, staying late and trying to be the all conquering hero - the expectations are going to be centered around that.<p>4. I am an average Joe, who preferred to get in by 9.30 and get off by 6.00ish - I didn&#x27;t sync my emails, didn&#x27;t give a hoot unless it was absolutely crucial and someone called&#x2F;texted me about the issue and it needed urgent attention. I am not a doctor saving people, just an engineer fixing bugs.<p>5. Of course my compensation&#x2F;bonuses didn&#x27;t go up like my friends who did the long hours, but I am absolutely cool about that. They deserved it.
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Apocryphon大约 10 年前
The culture of silence between Apple and the public extends to more than just upcoming products. Has anyone noticed that there aren&#x27;t as many Apple employees participating in tech conferences, hackathons, public presentations? Even for subjects unrelated to their work? Definitely fewer than Google&#x2F;Facebook&#x2F;Amazon&#x2F;Microsoft employees.
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kyllo大约 10 年前
<i>I had organised a day off recently where all my family were visiting me from interstate. Despite this I had agreed to dial in to one conference call as the audience attending was ‘important’. Well it seems Important but disrespectful, as the audience never even turned up, yet I was still made to ‘dry-run’ the whole meeting from start to finish for an hour and a half as if there was full attendance and interest in what I was saying. So, as the food I had prepared for my family went cold, there I was stuck on the phone role-playing a fake menial meeting to satisfy managements ego.</i><p>Oh god. I would have hung up. The concept of a &quot;dry run&quot; for a meeting is <i>insanely</i> offensive and counterproductive. If a meeting needs to be <i>scripted</i> and <i>rehearsed</i>, it does not need to happen.
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kelukelugames大约 10 年前
I was interested in working at Apple so I messaged a few of my alum friends. All of them said they worked around 60 hours a week. Nope, can&#x27;t pay me enough to work 60 hours a week.
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nemo大约 10 年前
There are two orgs in Apple that are soul-crushing - AppleCare and IS&amp;T. AppleCare is a depressing meat grinder of dealing with unhappy customers with broken things. IS&amp;T uses parasitic funding (other orgs. are &quot;customers&quot;), and is internally broken into competing fiefdoms and systems that are a horror to interact with. Kind of sounds like this guy was in IS&amp;T working with AppleCare. I was in IS&amp;T for a year, and was happy it was only a year.<p>Other orgs. in the company are generally a lot nicer to work in, though it varies where you wind up.
AndrewKemendo大约 10 年前
<i>Words like ‘pressure’ kept getting thrown at me in the context of I can’t handle the pressure and “you were told at the interview it’s high pressure”.</i><p>Oh lord. As though any of them have any clue about real &quot;high pressure&quot; work environments. Being an asshole unnecessarily isn&#x27;t a high pressure environment.
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kumarski大约 10 年前
I&#x27;ve found it is easy to poach talent from Apple, Google, and other large ventures.<p>It&#x27;s not the money. It&#x27;s the vision and the way they treat talent. They don&#x27;t pay much deference to the consummate creators, the lifeblood of innovation.<p>Long hours, synchronous work schedules with asynchronous dependencies, long commutes, and not an equal pay to warrant education level and mental capacity required for task at hand.<p>I think the future may consist of Life-Work balance where one&#x27;s life outside of work, is greater than their work.
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soheil大约 10 年前
Toxic management in Silicon valley seems to be becoming a force to be reckoned with. Time and time again I hear horror stories like this and from first hand experience I can confirm all this mind playing is in fact happening by certain managers. I&#x27;ve worked with managers that worked at top tech companies in the Valley and their resume lists one company after another, it goes to show how easy it is for them to jump ship if things are going sour without anyone at the new company really noticing that in the interview process. There seems to be a strongly connected network of toxic managers swarming the valley more and more. It&#x27;s not just Apple.
gscott大约 10 年前
From reading about Apple I have the feeling innovation comes from the top (or from small special teams) and the rest of the organization is about pulling that innovation together. Which would make endless meetings make sense because instead of innovation you just need organization to push the innovation made by a tiny fraction of the company forward.<p>The positive is just having Apple on your resume you will make landing a job anywhere easier. So the torture is more then worth it.
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paganel大约 10 年前
&gt; When I started my role I missed one business trip as my wife was pregnant, fell down the stairs and had to be hospitalised – this was listed as a ‘performance issue’ on my record and brought up during a one on one with management as a major ‘miss’ on my behalf.<p>What the fuck?! How the heck can this happen between two human beings who happen to work for the same company? I&#x27;d rather plant potatoes for a living or even go to war than having to deal with people who have no soul inside of them. Empty shells.
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SCdF大约 10 年前
So what I find so interesting about this is that I&#x27;ve never heard the counter-argument. No one is rushing to defend Apple, or say &quot;Yeah I work at Apple on X and I really love it&quot;.<p>In fact, the more I think about it, I don&#x27;t know of <i>any</i> prolific bloggers, or open source contributors, or HN commentators, or really anyone, who currently works for Apple. I know Bret Victor (worrydream) used to work there, but left IIRC because they weren&#x27;t letting him do things he creatively wanted to do.<p>Where are the Apple advocates?
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simonebrunozzi大约 10 年前
The most interesting stories about Apple, or Amazon, or a few others, cannot be told in public.<p>Most of these former employees feel legally threatened by their former employers, and that&#x27;s what prevents them from sharing more.<p>I wish there was a way.
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raspasov大约 10 年前
I wonder how many people the author has really interacted with? Even if it was 100 individuals (which is probably unlikely) that&#x27;s still &lt;2% (I think Apple has &gt; 5000 employees?) of the total organization. Basically a rounding error.<p>It&#x27;s very hard to make conclusions for the whole company from such a small sample. That borders discrimination&#x2F;racism thinking. Not in any way trying to say that he had a pleasant experience or that his management was solid. Probably wasn&#x27;t. Just hard to make conclusions for a big group from such a small sample.
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ChuckMcM大约 10 年前
May I suggest that when you leave a place, and it was not a positive experience, you look back on that experience, try to learn from what you experienced and generally deal with the emotional trauma of trying to fit in, in a place where you do not fit. Ben Farrell writes in his blog ...<p><i>&quot;Road Less Travelled is authored by Ben Farrell, (online alias ‘nomadic_rambler’) – Freelance Writer &amp; Photographer – That’s me!&quot;</i><p>When I read that I thought to myself, this guy has so much passion and enthusiasm for understanding the world, it is a shame he took a job at a company that is as intensely focused as Apple is.<p>This is the money quote for me, <i>&quot;Finally now, for the first time in two years, I feel light, creative and inspired. I am again an individual with my own creative ideas, perceptions, values and beliefs. It may take me a while, but from what I believe – I’m now able to express such beliefs again.&quot;</i> I really admire Ben for sticking it out for two years. The key here is that Ben was <i>always</i> the individual with ideas, perceptions, values and beliefs, and it sounds like that was not what Apple was looking for in this position. I&#x27;ve seen it time and again where someone races home after work to play in their garage band or rebuild an engine or practice some other art. And if there peers at work are staying late to work on something they believe in at the office, well that is a recipe for a problem.<p>I also think that if you find yourself in the situation of finally unwinding what turned out to be a painful choice in your life, its probably not the best thing to blog about it on the same day you take action on your future :-)
colechristensen大约 10 年前
Apple has, what, a hundred thousand employees?<p>If you expect none of them to be intolerable nuts, you have a problem with scale.<p>The thing is, if you&#x27;re unsatisfied with your job, equating your personal experience with the entire company as a whole, and going on a long name-calling rant shows you as rather unprofessional yourself.<p>I don&#x27;t doubt that some Apple managers are jerks.
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r00fus大约 10 年前
Would like to know which division the departing employee worked in, and how long he stuck it out.<p>I personally liken companies to a large conglomeration of small organizations - your management chain really matters. Which is why when a respected manager leaves, sometimes his&#x2F;her team leaves with them (HR flight risk).<p>I know someone who worked (works?) at Apple - she moved from a difficult arguably acidic environment to one where she feels valued and rewarded.<p>I can relate similar stories from other companies all over the world.
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api大约 10 年前
Apple has built one of the most successful businesses in the world on mostly one thing: design. (And user experience, which is design more broadly applied.)<p>Undortunately, it seems to me that good design requires totalitarianism. Apple&#x27;s products are comparatively coherent, clean, unified, and aesthetically pleasing. This is achieved via a culture of totalitarianism that extends all the way down to the device. OSX has some openness grandfathered in, but iOS shows you where Apple wants to go.<p>... and customers largely approve. Having used both iOS and the more open Android, I can say that while Android is more capable iOS is more of a pleasure to use. There you have it.<p>It&#x27;s something I have seen broadly in the world, and I actually find it rather disturbing. Bazaars can be creative and can offer a rich array of options and a lot of value, but only a cathedral can deliver aesthetics and usability.
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ape4大约 10 年前
He missed a big chance not titling the article &quot;iQuit&quot;.<p>That bit about missing time to take care of his pregnant wife is pretty horrible.
cognivore大约 10 年前
Lots of money means lots of asshatery. When the cycle comes around again and Apple finds themselves scrambling, this will all go away, because such people are useless.
jonhester大约 10 年前
I work for a small company while my wife works for a large corporation. She makes more than I do, but I work less hours and don&#x27;t have to deal with the politics.
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francoisdevlin大约 10 年前
Is this for real? Can anyone else corroborate this?
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bberrry大约 10 年前
I would be interested to hear whether the culture in the engineering departments is similar to this.
coldtea大约 10 年前
&gt;<i>I spent two years in the Apple camp managing customer service improvement for their technical support contact centres</i><p>Yeah, not exactly the kind of Apple insider we&#x27;d imagined when we read the first few paragraphs...<p>&gt;<i>Sixteen hour days are filled with meetings after meetings followed by more meetings. Whilst this is somewhat standard in most organisations, meetings at Apple wreaked of toxic agendas designed to deliberately trip people up, make fools of the less respected and call people out. Team spirit is non existent as ‘internal customers’ attack individuals and push agendas that satisfy their morning egos. Hours upon hours were wasted in meetings to prepare for meetings in preparation for other meetings to the point where little work actually got done.</i><p>And yet, they manage to be on the top at least financiancly, if not anything else, and put out tons of good products.<p>So either this is not the whole story, or it&#x27;s mostly about the customer service department, and not the hardware and software units...<p>&gt;<i>Sickness, family emergencies, and even weddings are given no respect at Apple. When I started my role I missed one business trip as my wife was pregnant, fell down the stairs and had to be hospitalised – this was listed as a ‘performance issue’ on my record and brought up during a one on one with management as a major ‘miss’ on my behalf.</i><p>This kind of thing on the other hand is important whoever it&#x27;s happening to. Maybe Cook instead of pretending to care for more glamorous media causes (like Indiana) and start treating his own employees (which include plenty of gays of course) better?<p>It&#x27;s quite hypocritical to be a supporter for gay marriage, and then piss on the marriages and personal life of your employees in general.
pmcpinto大约 10 年前
I believe that everything that was written in this article is true and it&#x27;s really depressing to see a work culture like this. How they can retain and attract talent with this kind of culture?!
dataker大约 10 年前
I don&#x27;t like to talk about it, but some tech giants are going the same path as investment banks. I left my quant job to get freedom in the Valley, but it turned out to not be so different.
sudioStudio64大约 10 年前
I think that it should be pointed out that Apple doesn&#x27;t have &quot;values&quot;. The idea that apple has &quot;values&quot; that it &quot;preaches&quot; is just wrong. That is called marketing. It&#x27;s funny that people are shocked by this. This is what businesses do and it makes the weird partisanship that forms around them seem mad.
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nashashmi大约 10 年前
Great read! But come on, customer support is not the main body of the company, just one of the limbs. And those limbs suffer if they do not strive to be themselves and instead seek to be someone else.<p>One phrase that I tell myself often kept coming to mind: the freedoms you don&#x27;t take, someone else will, and the freedoms you don&#x27;t fight for, someone else will take. This applies between government-citizen, corporation-employee, manager-managee, and head-subordinate.<p>And do you know what happens when one hot shot takes hold of the company&#x2F;department&#x2F;group? Everybody seeks to emulate him and judge themselves and others in comparison to him. What happens then is like what happens to metal dust scattered on paper with a magnet in the middle. The hot shot is no longer a leader with a team, but instead a one-man army with slaves extending his rule.<p>And some leaders will never manage creative people because they can never step out of the way.
faragon大约 10 年前
If you get no respect where you work, just quit, as soon as you can.
nomass大约 10 年前
I don&#x27;t want to offend anyone, but really Apple has become a lousy company. The single only thing that still flawlessly works is indeed the &quot;glossy surface&quot; (article).<p>Their hardware, sold as rock-solid, is partly flawed. My (and thousands of other users ) Macbook graphic card broke after 12 month. The OS and their software has become bloated inconsistent and buggy. Their customer service is so bad, it even beats some of the worst telecom companies in my country. Their sales people are good looking but technically incompetent. Some of Apples technologies (Applescript, Objective-C) are just awful.<p>I think Apple products and services are only usable, if you have a lot of money to throw around and if you don&#x27;t really rely on them, but look at them as toys to play around.<p>Using Ubuntu and Android now, I can admit that the UI is not nearly as sexy. But stuff works or can be fixed in reasonable time.
slaxman大约 10 年前
Wow! This reminds me of my career at PwC. I was a strategic consultant to the Financial Sector there.<p>&lt;rant&gt;<p>People were measured more on how long they stayed back in office rather than how much work got done. On multiple occasions, I was contacted by the Associate Director for some &#x27;urgent&#x27; work while I was on leave. As you can imagine, none of the work was actually that urgent. The worst was the politics to take credit for other people&#x27;s work.<p>&lt;&#x2F;rant&gt;
jmstout大约 10 年前
I feel like he missed a big opportunity here to say, &quot;iQuit&quot;. Just sayin&#x27;.
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laichzeit0大约 10 年前
&gt; Management were inconsistent, moody and erratic. I’d often receive aggressive chats at all hours, and harassing texts every fifteen minutes asking “are you online? Your status shows you as away – are you there?”.<p>As they saying goes, shit runs downhill. I guarantee you these guys are behaving this way because someone above them is giving them the same amount of shit.
fixxer大约 10 年前
Sounds like Samsung.<p>EDIT: No really, IT SOUNDS JUST LIKE SAMSUNG.
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wellsthrowaway大约 10 年前
Welcome to a large corporate environment! Apple isn&#x27;t special.
rogerdickey大约 10 年前
Why 900 upvotes? This reads like a vengeful laundry list of excuses for essentially being fired, written by a low-performing, poor-culture-fit middle manager from an exceptionally dysfunctional team at what otherwise might be a great company. I&#x27;ve never worked there so can&#x27;t say.
andyman1080大约 10 年前
One possible explanation for his experience is that he was what they call &quot;managed out&quot;.
jsudhams大约 10 年前
Not sure why person would not have called ethics line or even complain local govt HR authorities(if any). The allegations seems to be definitely a harassment if the person was not paid for work to be done outside working hours(not very clear if the person was paid for midnight calls). Not sure now but when I worked in Microsoft as customer support. They really really took care of the employees, it was a cost centre and there were call centre metrics in place but employees were treated really well. Leaves given as needed, paid for extra work and an excellent customer centric but a humble culture inside the org. The dev teams appreciated inputs from support and vice versa.
gabeio大约 10 年前
Not to attack or defend apple or the author but he just seems like a free spirit, and from personal experience in customer support myself (also quit twice) this is just not the job for a person who travels the world that much...
shanusmagnus大约 10 年前
TFA, and these comments, have made me curious -- what is the best way to get a breakdown of how much people like working for a company? I know there are job sites like Glassdoor, etc, but in those reviews everything is scrambled together. And as the comments here suggest, there could be a huge difference between what it&#x27;s like to work in software development (say, doing stuff for OS X) vs. customer service kinds of things. Are there any resources that could help you get a &#x27;fingerprint&#x27; of the work-experience at a certain company, across its various aspects?
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br3w5大约 10 年前
&quot;The common language spoken being passive aggression, sarcasm and Kool-Aid fuelled stories of ‘success’ designed to manipulate and intimidate naive workers who have never experienced corporate life outside the Apple walls&quot;<p>Sounds like all experiences I&#x27;ve had with the private sector although I have had better experiences with teams and general behaviour of team mates. I think founders of companies expect everyone to have the same belief in their business as they do but with less money out of it and no real influence over the company...that and not everyone thinks the same.
2close4comfort大约 10 年前
It is a shame that you finally reach a key point in your career only to find that they are not as great as they are made out to be. But it is refreshing to see that they were able to realize where they were and that it was not for them. I would think that if we ever make it to the point where people won&#x27;t make these obscene sacrifices to work for (insert random SV co. name here) it might be a better place...but lets face that will never happen.
th0br0大约 10 年前
I once attended a hackathon in Switzerland where Apple sponsored some prizes. They had a bunch of relatively young (read mostly junior level) developers there and one &#x27;glorious leader&#x27; management-level kind of guy. I shall never forget seeing two of the young developers following their glorious leader with ipads in their hands wherever he went.
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WhitneyLand大约 10 年前
Another perspective is how valuable would your options have to be to stay put in such an environment?<p>It&#x27;s not always easy to walk away from a significant sum of money, even when you sense it&#x27;s doing real damage.<p>In a similar situation I didn&#x27;t walk away and it took years to recover. Probably would do it again, having a family might be the deciding factor.
mathattack大约 10 年前
As others have pointed out, life in a cost center is very tough. People turn to infighting because it&#x27;s hard to use revenue as an arbiter. Apple doesn&#x27;t venerate customer support. Apple celebrates the designers and engineers. It would be more interesting if this article came from there.
decentrality大约 10 年前
I&#x27;ve been seeing a lot of edits to the article. It seems that for now, one global network of feedback and peer review ( Apple ) is being exchanged for another ( HN ). Not good or bad, just &quot;is&quot; --<p>As with any &quot;break up&quot; this phase of WOOHOO+rage will crest, then the community dynamic ( refactored&#x2F;lost ) will echo as loudly in the mind if not louder than the perceived freedom gained... to go work with other people, but still always people.<p>Draconian tendencies aside, no one will ultimately satisfy as a peer or network. So, OP, enjoy the rush. High-profile exits from large names is thrilling, but then you&#x27;re without a scapegoat, if there is one at all. Tomorrow will be a reality check unless self critique is harsher than pointing fingers.<p>The whole &quot;tell the entire world how much X company sucks&quot; trend is pretty much played out, even&#x2F;especially if the company left does suck. It&#x27;s a form of therapy to do it, probably, but a lot of it feels like marketing for the next leg of a career regardless.
dougpetro大约 10 年前
It seems that maybe they were manufacturing mind games just to edge him out, for various reasons. But if Apple is so good at making bold moves and quick decisions, it&#x27;s weird that his superiors would act so childishly toward him.
gchokov大约 10 年前
Well that&#x27;s pretty much the case with everyone who quits a big company and goes on &quot;his own path&quot; adventure. It&#x27;s not something specific to Apple, but I guess putting it &quot;I quit Apple&quot; makes you cool?
maze-le大约 10 年前
Wow... I expect that things are not as shiny and glamoury as they seem, but this!?!
frade33大约 10 年前
Ever heard of &#x27;fast-paced&#x27; work environment. Sadly I run a tiny small company, where we make it loud and clear. That it&#x27;s fast-paced work environment, full of stress, haste and everything in between.<p>Even for me as an owner, this has deteriorated my life. I run an international shipping company. And every shipment is time-definite, not because they are, because customers make it so.<p>Such kind of job, is not for everyone, therefore we make it loud and clear, we have a lot of fun too, to compensate for it and I make it clear to my guys.<p>Anyhow, we do not have a culture of &#x27;disrespect&#x27; but in a fast-paced environment, moods swings are pretty common.<p>Again it&#x27;s not for everyone. Ask me frankly, 911 or Police are less stressful than we are. as you laid out., as If police job is more stressful.
FridaG大约 10 年前
sounds like apple definitely takes advantage of its prestige. if OP made &gt;= 6 figures, this treatment seems kinda par for the course in this industry.<p>It&#x27;s sad that in order to &#x27;make it&#x27; we can expect to receive such insensitivity at work, I certainly wouldn&#x27;t stand for it, but it&#x27;s frustrating that this is ultimately a first-world problem; millions of people deal with this kinda shit day in day out at shitty fast food jobs, and they get neither respect nor compensation for their efforts.
Aoyagi大约 10 年前
I was under the impression that this is an accepted thing for both Apple and Microsoft, while Google is the &quot;we know what&#x27;s good and you products deal with it&quot; company.
classicsnoot大约 10 年前
Thank you to every poster who stayed in the world of facts, honesty, and objectivity in a thread about a potentially madly divisive topic. Medals for Bravery all around.
classicsnoot大约 10 年前
<i>assuming the story is accurate</i> The sad part about cult mentality is that this post will probably just reinforce the dogma of the &#x27;true&#x27; believers.
mtarnovan大约 10 年前
&quot;I used to be a police officer. I’ve held a gun aimed at a dangerous offenders head and had to choose whether or not to pull the trigger.&quot;<p>Wait, what?
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MrDosu大约 10 年前
News@11: Working at BigCorpXYZ is not rainbows and puppies like in the brochure. Who knew.
hellbanner大约 10 年前
&quot;Drinks with colleagues revolved around the same stories told <i>again and again</i> &quot; hm, anything to do with their address of &quot;1 infinite loop&quot;? Funny, usually infinite loops are a sign somebody fucked up.
jaynate大约 10 年前
This doesn&#x27;t aound any different from any other company on the planet if you look at it from this angle. The author seems overly entitled and disgruntled. Any job is what you make of it.
rawoke083600大约 10 年前
Sounds awful !!
FD3SA大约 10 年前
Another perfect data point to add to Michael O`Church`s excellent series on the politics and psychology of the modern corporation.<p>For you starry eyed youngsters, just remember that this is Apple, the world`s most profitable company. It only gets worse as you go down the list.<p>Work for yourself. Consulting, the trades and any type of work you can do independently is far superior to dealing with wannabe Machiavellians on whose benevolence your paycheck depends.<p>Get out of the corporate world, and do anything else. The sky is the limit.
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jackmaney大约 10 年前
What a heartbreaking story. I&#x27;m glad that the author quit, and I&#x27;m yet again reminded how fortunate I am to have a boss who comes relatively close to understanding me and has my back.
mhurron大约 10 年前
That&#x27;s a lot of words to say Apple is a corporation and acts like many others.<p>I guess the author expected it to be like an iPod commercial when he started.
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swish41大约 10 年前
I would never hire this guy.
jklinger410大约 10 年前
My favorite from the comments section &quot;Maybe you were just holding your phone incorrectly.&quot;<p>xD My sides!
serve_yay大约 10 年前
Oh brother.
NelsonMinar大约 10 年前
RIP FoundationDB.