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The Machines Are Coming

88 点作者 lambtron大约 10 年前

12 条评论

kleiba大约 10 年前
What ever happened to the utopian dream of a world where nobody needs to do work because intelligent machines do all the necessary chores for us? People are freed from labor but may chose to work if they enjoy it, or focus on art, philosophy, or simply leisure.<p>While there&#x27;s much to be criticized about such a naive idea, it seems to me sometimes that despite the tremendous productivity gains we have seen since the industrial revolution, it&#x27;s not the common man who benefits most from technical progress. Of course, it&#x27;s indisputable that the quality of life has improved dramatically across the board, and we have more spare time in our lives now than previous generations. But society is still such that you need to work 40+ hours every week if you want to be part of the middle-class.<p>Machines are not freeing men from labor. They&#x27;re used to create competitive pressure. At the end of the day, the gross benefit goes into the pockets of a few, while the majority are kept in the same dependence structures as always.
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transfire大约 10 年前
There is only one ultimate solution: Basic Income. We need to end the division between those who receive welfare and those who don&#x27;t. We can do this by having everyone receive the same amount regardless of means.<p>For the last few decades we have been making up for job loss due to automation by creating ever larger bureaucracies. Consider how much paperwork is now involved in healthcare compared to 50 years ago. While we might be able to continue this foolishness for some time (after all, what&#x27;s 100,000 pages of tax code compared to 100,000,000?) we only hurt ourselves as a whole by doing so.
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golergka大约 10 年前
On humanity scale, it looks differently: we don&#x27;t need the amount of labor we have now to maintain the current level of consumption. We can produce the same amount of goods and services without 100% of people contributing.<p>May be we&#x27;ll finally become OK with some of the people to live on welfare checks? It&#x27;s not &quot;slacking&quot; when the humanity just doesn&#x27;t really need your input.
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ThomPete大约 10 年前
Machines are replacing higher and higher levels of abstract thinking.<p>One of the biggest illusions of how we humans see ourselves is to think that our function as humans that make us valuable on the job market.<p>Yet we mostly use just a small subset of our abilities to perform jobs even the intellectual ones.<p>And so the irony is that a Radiologist spending a decade getting educated and makes 300K a year is more likely to be loosing their job than a cleaning lady.
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bsenftner大约 10 年前
If you have not read the sci fi short story &quot;Manna&quot; by Marshall Brain, then you should. It is a 20 minute read looking back at the automation revolution that pretty much destroys and then remakes civilization. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;marshallbrain.com&#x2F;manna1.htm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;marshallbrain.com&#x2F;manna1.htm</a>
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josephagoss大约 10 年前
Just a thought, and one I am not 100% behind, is that if these machines give more and more power to employers perhaps this will allow more employees to become employers? Employers of machines...<p>I&#x27;d imagine this technology having the potential to enable many people to perhaps start businesses much more easily or cheaply. Is it possible to imagine every single human being a self employed business? Could the economy work that way?
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polymatter大约 10 年前
I highly recommend CGP Greys video (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU</a>) for a good overview of the issue.<p>See <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9341055" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9341055</a> for similar discussion.
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AndrewKemendo大约 10 年前
Every week we have this conversation and every week it&#x27;s the same thing, a shrug and no real solution.<p>I think it&#x27;s going to take a clear &quot;line in the sand&quot; event for anyone to actually figure out how to solve this issue.
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karmacondon大约 10 年前
Is there any evidence that machines are actually causing significant unemployment? Articles of this type are composed of anecdotes. Machines can now do this or that, several individuals lost their jobs to machines, etc. Do we know that jobs aren&#x27;t being created as fast as they are being destroyed?<p>The siren song of the hype machine is very tempting. But it would be comforting to know that there&#x27;s some substance to the implication of this article before we start taking baseball bats to technology. There are several compelling social, economic and historical reasons to believe that people will continue creating jobs for other people, for as long as humans exist.
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kennethh大约 10 年前
Technology have always made some jobs obsolete. 100 years ago, jobs like barrel maker, timber floater was among top 10 jobs. None of those jobs exists anymore. There will always be new jobs, new possibilities. Automation make products cheaper as a general rule even thought the central bankers try and reduce the value of money as much as possible. Normal people today can buy stuff every day which even Kings could do 100 years ago. Electronics, but also food from all over the world which is available all year.<p>But why do we still work as much as we do?
guiambros大约 10 年前
One of the linked posts is this 2013 article about an automated lie detector being tested at U.S. borders: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;01&#x2F;ff-lie-detector&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;01&#x2F;ff-lie-detector&#x2F;</a><p>I have mixed feelings about it.
jqm大约 10 年前
I don&#x27;t see this as a negative although there will be a transition.<p>The careers I most hope are replaced soon are politicians. I&#x27;m pretty sure my coffee maker currently has the capability to do at least a good a job as Ted Cruz.