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Ask HN — Native ads in education: What would this look like? Feasible? Ethical?

7 点作者 crsn大约 10 年前
Native advertising is advertising that matches the form and function of the platform on which it appears.<p>What could this look like in education?<p>Example contexts: textbooks, tutoring tech, MOOCs, LMSs, OERs, testing platforms, adaptive learning tools, VLEs, study materials, etc.<p>Obviously this provokes hard questions. Is this ethical? Is this even feasible? What would the model look like?<p>All thoughts&#x2F;arguments&#x2F;questions welcome.

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gumby大约 10 年前
It&#x27;s already in place. Math textbooks in the US that specifically use Oreos(TM) and Nike(TM) shoes in examples. Supposedly &quot;the well-known products were included simply to make the math problems more relevant to sixth graders.&quot;<p><pre><code> *&quot;Another word problem, this one in the 1999 edition, gives a plug to Oreos, made by Nabisco: &#x27;&#x27;The best-selling packaged cookie in the world is the Oreo cookie,&#x27;&#x27; it begins. &#x27;&#x27;The diameter of an Oreo cookie is 1.75 inches. Express the diameter of an Oreo cookie as a fraction in simplest form.&#x27;&#x27; &quot;A section on surface area in the same edition asks students to calculate the surface area of a box of Cocoa Frosted Flakes, adding some gratuitous information about when the cereal was introduced. Another page, titled &#x27;&#x27;School to Career,&#x27;&#x27; highlights Lands&#x27; End, the mail-order apparel company. &#x27;&#x27;Consumers can purchase unique clothing and accessories, and products for the home,&#x27;&#x27; the section reads.&quot;* </code></pre> <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;1999&#x2F;03&#x2F;21&#x2F;business&#x2F;math-book-salted-with-brand-names-raises-new-alarm.html?pagewanted=all" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;1999&#x2F;03&#x2F;21&#x2F;business&#x2F;math-book-salted-...</a>
mryan大约 10 年前
IMHO this is fundamentally unethical. The purpose of education - again, IMHO - is to equip children with the skills and knowledge they need to be successful in the wider world. Advertising has no place in this model.<p>The example given by gumby is particularly insidious. I could make the argument for including products that the children will be familiar with to make maths problems seem more applicable to the real world. However, knowing that the &quot;best-selling packaged cookie in the world is the Oreo cookie&quot; does nothing to enhance the child&#x27;s mathematical ability.<p>The Merchants of Venus by Frederick Pohl is a satirical SF story about the potential perils of runaway capitalism. I could see school districts experiencing rivalry depending on whether they are a &quot;Coke school&quot; or a &quot;Pepsi school&quot;. The last thing school systems need is yet another superficial basis for tribalism and rivalry.<p>There is one potential benefit that I can see. Advertisers would presumably pay money to schools for the privilege of advertising to such a malleable, captive audience. If this money were to be used to enhance the quality of education at the school, could it outweigh the damage caused by advertising to children? I&#x27;m not sure, but I doubt it.
DanBC大约 10 年前
We&#x27;ve already had adverts in school textbooks. At least California banned them. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;1&#x2F;hi&#x2F;education&#x2F;436312.stm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;1&#x2F;hi&#x2F;education&#x2F;436312.stm</a><p>&gt; For example, text books will now no longer be allowed to present maths problems in terms of the prices of brand-name trainers or show counting exercises using branded chocolate bars.<p>Advertising aimed at children is unethical and is not legal in some countries and more tightly regulated than other advertising in many other countries. I would strongly object to advertising in an education setting. I would use every method I had available to remove ads from my child&#x27;s educational life. He&#x27;s bombarded with ads every day and I&#x27;d like to give him a bit of time away from that.<p>Also: some people suggest that Youtube kids allows advertisers to bypass tv laws about advertising to children. Youtube should probably push this link a bit harder: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.google.com&#x2F;youtube&#x2F;answer&#x2F;6168681?hl=en-GB" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.google.com&#x2F;youtube&#x2F;answer&#x2F;6168681?hl=en-GB</a>
joeclark77大约 10 年前
As a professor who teaches tech classes, I can tell you we&#x27;re constantly courted by companies that want us to use their software in our classes. Some make it easier than others. I&#x27;ve never been offered &quot;sponsorship&quot; although to be honest, I wouldn&#x27;t necessarily turn it down as long as I was making my own choices about who to take it from. Certainly vendors have been known to provide free equipment and licenses to academic institutions. I think where it becomes problematic is if someone else is taking money and, in exchange, constraining my decisions as an educator. So the real question for me about &quot;native ads in education&quot; is, who&#x27;s buying and who&#x27;s selling? Are teachers and students going to suffer the consequences of decisions they&#x27;re not involved in, for someone else&#x27;s profit?
cJ0th大约 10 年前
This clip from the Simpsons should answer all your questions ;) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=HK0BMaUMmGw" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=HK0BMaUMmGw</a>
japhyr大约 10 年前
So, advertising that&#x27;s hard to distinguish from what you think you&#x27;re reading? In the context of education, that sounds pretty ugly and manipulative.
troymc大约 10 年前
There are far more lucrative ways to get revenue in education: people are happy to pay to improve their life chances.<p>Frankly, it feels like this question was the result of mixing two cards from a card deck for generating business ideas.<p>Next two cards, please...
brudgers大约 10 年前
Sounds like in-app purchases for education.