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This man just claimed a new European nation. 160,000 people want to live there

287 点作者 webdisrupt大约 10 年前

24 条评论

sam_goody大约 10 年前
Micro nations are not new, and they are almost never successful [1].<p>They are ripe for fraud: selling passports, fraudulent government bank, etc. In the event that they pick up any traction, they are swallowed by their neighbors with real armies (eg. Minerva), and the rest of the world sighs with relief.<p>An interesting example of one that is still officially around, also claims land in Croatia, and exists just for fraud is the Dominion of Melchizedek [2].<p>Even Lichtenstein, which thrives on laws that allow outside companies to evade their local taxes, skirts on the definitions of &quot;legal&quot;, &quot;nation&quot;, et al. (though I have a few friends from there who are all great guys)<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Micronation" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Micronation</a> [2] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.quatloos.com&#x2F;groups&#x2F;melchiz.htm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.quatloos.com&#x2F;groups&#x2F;melchiz.htm</a>
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tinco大约 10 年前
This country is also on the verge of having its first war. The Liberland flag has already been removed by another micro-nation that claims to have laid claim on the land just over a month earlier:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paraduin.nl&#x2F;?p=173" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paraduin.nl&#x2F;?p=173</a><p>Unfortunately, the Paraduin people seem a bit nutty to me. An excerpt from their constitution, which is in Dutch:<p>&quot;Paraduin is een monarchie. De titel van de monarch is prins(es), voluit Prins(es) van Paraduin. Monarch zijn Prins Ogidius en diens wettige opvolgers. De opvolging wordt bij wet geregeld.&quot;<p>Translates to:<p>&quot;Paraduin is a monarchy. The monarch holds the title of Prince(ss), in full the Prince(ss) of Paraduin. Monarchs are Prince Ogidius and his lawful successors. Succession is determined by law.&quot;<p>Paraduin itself is something like a religion, they (if there&#x27;s more than one person, I&#x27;m not sure) believe there&#x27;s a magical parallel universe from which some people are fleeing unto the earth we live on.
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huuu大约 10 年前
I&#x27;m sorry to be that guy, but a small note to all webdevs on Hackernews: please make sure to skip all bloated and hip Javascripts. Because not all visitors have the latest and fastest devices.<p>This great article is unfortunately unreadable for me because I can&#x27;t scroll down.
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tim333大约 10 年前
&gt; 160,000 people want to live there<p>I just put my name down. It&#x27;s a laugh. I&#x27;d probably be willing to fork over $30 for a passport. I don&#x27;t actually want to live there. I suspect many of the 160,000 are similar.<p>On a more serious note I could see an argument for setting up a new country that was open to all comers a bit like the US used to be when the &quot;Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..&quot; thing was happening. The US and EU could maybe buy the land off some hard up African country. You could govern it a bit like Singapore.
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izolate大约 10 年前
Why must every inch of this land have to be incorporated somehow? I&#x27;d much rather have no man&#x27;s land, than have a land owned by a particular man&#x27;s ideology (regardless of how much I may be inclined to agree with it).
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fractalsea大约 10 年前
For those interested in why this land is unclaimed, this video provides a nice visualisation:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=3ZdkqqjosCM&amp;t=6m49s" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=3ZdkqqjosCM&amp;t=6m49s</a><p>Essentially the river has changed, but the two countries claimed land at different times.
desireco42大约 10 年前
As a Serbian I welcome our Liberland neighbours. It really opens a lot of possibility. It citizenship doesn&#x27;t require you to live there for Liberland to thrive. If he&#x2F;they would just start a top level domain name for example, I can see how being citizen would be beneficial to enterpreneurs.
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funkyy大约 10 年前
This gets much more attention than it should in my opinion. Its another micro nation that within few weeks no one will remember about. Besides stamps collectors and non-recognized passport holders.
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arihant大约 10 年前
Sidenote: This page has unbearable amounts of JS. It is unscrollable on latest generation Chromebook, a device explicitly built to browse the Web. There is a limit to how much JS one should use; if your website requires a pro gaming machine to be readable, you probably crossed that limit.
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ColinWright大约 10 年前
There have been several submissions about this recently. Here are a few:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9383560" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9383560</a> Liberland (liberland.org) [0]<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9384107" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9384107</a> Liberland (wikipedia.org) [1]<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9385492" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9385492</a> A New State Has Been Declared - Liberland (between border of Croatia and Serbia) (liberland.org) [2]<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9388699" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9388699</a> New state established on unclaimed territory between Croatia and Serbia (wikipedia.org) [3]<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9400443" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9400443</a> About Liberland (liberland.org) [4]<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9400443" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9400443</a> Liberland - Europe&#x27;s Brand New Country (liberland.org) [5]<p><pre><code> Yes, I know this is a repeat - the submission title got changed. It&#x27;s also a repeat submission of [0], and the submission with the most discussion - over 80 comments. </code></pre> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9401128" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9401128</a> Liberland. New country in Europe with no taxes and Bitcoin as official currency (independent.co.uk) [6]<p>[0] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;liberland.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;about&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;liberland.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;about&#x2F;</a><p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Liberland" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Liberland</a><p>[2] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;liberland.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;news&#x2F;press-release-a-new-state-has-been-declared-liberland-21.htm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;liberland.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;news&#x2F;press-release-a-new-state-has-b...</a><p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Liberland" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Liberland</a><p>[4] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;liberland.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;about&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;liberland.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;about&#x2F;</a><p>[5] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;liberland.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;about&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;liberland.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;about&#x2F;</a><p>[6] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.independent.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;world&#x2F;europe&#x2F;welcome-to-liberland-europes-tiny-new-country-where-taxes-are-optional-and-youre-allowed-to-move-in-as-long-as-youre-not-a-nazi-10185477.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.independent.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;world&#x2F;europe&#x2F;welcome-to-li...</a>
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playing_colours大约 10 年前
I am trying to speculate what kind of people this new country can attract and give its citizenship? I tend to think (sorry for sounding biased) that it would be adventurers, hippies, suspicious characters, illegal migrants, fraudsters. The topic about legalisation of marijuana is quite popular on their forum so it may attract drug dealers and drug addicts.<p>Can this microstate be interesting for entrepreneurs, engineers, scientists, doctors, economists - those who can contribute a lot to build some prosper experimental state, say micro-Singapore?<p>How can this country attract them, maybe, introduce sort of point based system for giving residence &#x2F; citizenship?
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kazinator大约 10 年前
&quot;Live <i>there</i>?&quot; Where is that? You can&#x27;t live in a nation; it&#x27;s not a place, but rather a set of people, of which you can be a <i>member</i>. You can live in a country. A nation doesn&#x27;t imply a country; nations can be displaced. Furthermore, having a certain nationality which is tied to a country doesn&#x27;t mean being a resident of that country. Perhaps not all 160,000 people want to actually live in that country; maybe some only want the nationality. If this new nation has very relaxed rules about residency for maintaining nationality, they might not even have to visit there very much, if at all.
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sparaker大约 10 年前
Well i just applied to be a citizen, lets see if i get a citizenship before my children our born.<p>Edit: Got the activation link in SPAM, perhaps google didn&#x27;t recognize the new country sending emails :P
axus大约 10 年前
It&#x27;s funny, I play on some Minecraft servers where this kind of thing happens all the time. The comments about competing claims and military power are true for the virtual world as well as the physical world.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;CivilizatonExperiment&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;CivilizatonExperiment&#x2F;</a><p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;Civcraft&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;Civcraft&#x2F;</a>
doctorwho大约 10 年前
Give us all your personal information so we can consider you for citizenship, and steal your identity. Best phishing scam ever!
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elmar大约 10 年前
The defining conception of the state is a monopoly of the legitimate use of physical force, also known as the monopoly on violence.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Monopoly_on_violence" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Monopoly_on_violence</a>
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nivertech大约 10 年前
They should do something similar to Andorra.<p>Every odd year they should send an ambassador with 1000 BTC tribute to Belgrade.<p>And every even year they should send an ambassador with 1000 BTC tribute to Zagreb.<p>As you already guessed, I propose them to adopt Bitcoin as a national currency ;)
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pipboy3大约 10 年前
a small problem could be fact that this area is regularly floded every year.
expertentipp大约 10 年前
Isn&#x27;t it some Czech style prank? Similar to <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.imdb.com&#x2F;title&#x2F;tt0402906&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.imdb.com&#x2F;title&#x2F;tt0402906&#x2F;</a>
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mladenkovacevic大约 10 年前
Emir Kusturica needs to make a movie out of this. Perhaps a sequel to Underground?
reitoei大约 10 年前
3.7MB of JavaScript. Christ.
hellbanner大约 10 年前
This would be the first country where registration comes with a password.
steamy大约 10 年前
Is this micro-nations fever a by-product of the proliferation and popularity of Clash of Clans and other related mobile strategy video games recently?<p>I can&#x27;t help but to make the connection here, what do you think guys?
stefantalpalaru大约 10 年前
Nice stunt, but without an army and&#x2F;or international recognition it will never be a country.
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