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Would you describe today's web browsers as “innovative?”

9 点作者 digitalcreate大约 10 年前

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TuringTest大约 10 年前
No, and they shouldn&#x27;t be. Modern web browsers are &quot;streamlined&quot;, which is what they ought to be and how they best serve their users - by being a minimal window to access the real protagonist, web content.<p>&quot;Innovative&quot; ideas should be tested in the form of separate applications or plugins, not shoehorned into the core tool that people use for almost all their access to Internet; experimenting with innovative ideas in this minimal tool is likely to break some workflows for most people.
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ChuckMcM大约 10 年前
Where are you going with this? A &quot;browser&quot; is a delivery agent, sort of like the paper and binding in a book. The <i>content</i> of the book can be innovative but who cares if the paper is?<p>Perhaps you are asking &quot;Can you deliver the experience you want to deliver in Today&#x27;s browsers?&quot; &quot;If not, why not?&quot; which might inform the question of missing features, but such surveys tend to collect dreams rather than requirements (&quot;if only the browser could read aloud the page, I&#x27;d make a kids book...&quot; kind of thing where the thing holding back the requester is not the browser but their own inability to write a kids book)
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abathur大约 10 年前
I think you might get less push-back on whether a browser should aspire to being &quot;innovative&quot; if you draw finer distinctions about types of innovation.<p>There&#x27;s a big difference between innovative idiomatic APIs, innovating the first support for new specs&#x2F;standards, innovative performance improvements, innovative UI&#x2F;X, innovative plugin&#x2F;extension engines, and (unfortunately) innovative interpretations of specs&#x2F;standards.
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biot大约 10 年前
It just seems a little odd asking people to share without any explanation of who you are or what the purpose of this is. For example, are you being compensated by some polling agency for collecting this data? What are you hoping to accomplish with it? What&#x27;s your privacy policy with respect to the free-form comment field?
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digitalcreate大约 10 年前
Thank you to everyone who contributed. There were 205 total responses to the survey.<p>For &quot;Would you describe today&#x27;s DESKTOP browsers as &#x27;Innovative&#x27;?&quot;: Yes = 29% No = 71%<p>For &quot;Would you describe today&#x27;s MOBILE browsers as &#x27;Innovative&#x27;?&quot;: Yes = 14% No = 86%<p>However, the &quot;No&quot; category includes those who feel that the browser doesn&#x27;t need to be innovative, and is simply a viewing mechanism.
evmar大约 10 年前
By asking here your answers are so biased that they&#x27;re unlikely to be useful. If you&#x27;re interested in getting a statistically significant sample of a larger group, there are products that will find that group for you for relatively cheap -- I know of at least Google Consumer Surveys and Survata. (Disclaimer: I work on the former.)
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digitalcreate大约 10 年前
Thanks for the survey responses everyone, and please keep them coming!
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digitalcreate大约 10 年前
Are you happy with your choice of browsers today? Do you feel that browser innovation is moving forward quickly enough? Please sound off and take this quick survey.
digitalcreate大约 10 年前
Someone asked what &quot;innovative&quot; means. It&#x27;s purely up to your definition of the word... but feel free to add comments to explain your thoughts.
lkrubner大约 10 年前
We think of the tech industry as &quot;innovative&quot; but in many ways it moves slow as dirt.<p>Why do we still use IP&#x2F;TCP when many of the same people who helped develop IP&#x2F;TCP learned important lessons from it and moved on to new ideas such as RINA? We all know that including a port number in a network address violates the principles that the levels in a network stack should be isolated, so why have we allowed 40 years to go by, without doing anything to address this mistake?<p>We know there is a need for structured documents, and we have endless serialization formats for various ontololgies. We also know there is a need for a GUI that works over networks. We all know what a struggle it has been, for the last 26 years, to make HTML serve both purposes. Isn&#x27;t it time we get rid of HTML and replace it with different technologies that can specialize in either being a GUI, or in delivering structured data?<p>Ethernet was introduced in 1980 and became the dominant wire for corporate and data center networks, despite more efficient formats being possible. Why is there such overwhelming conservatism in this area?<p>Polyglot programming has become the norm on servers, but the client has become a monoculture where Javascript killed off the other competing technologies (Flash, Swing, etc). An innovative browser would be one that gave us a virtual machine in the client that could support polyglot programming on the client. Instead, most &quot;innovation&quot; in 2015 is focused on making Javascript incrementally better.<p>&quot;Browser&quot; has become almost synonymous with the HTTP protocol, plus WebSockets (which still uses HTTP for the handshake). Wouldn&#x27;t an innovative browser merely grant us a shell for handling IP&#x2F;TCP, into which we could drop whatever runtime we wanted? That would enable polyglot programming on the client, and open the door to new categories of software being handled by the &quot;browser&quot;. In fact, all software could then be handled by the &quot;browser&quot; as the &quot;browser&quot; would then become the most obvious way to enable desktop software.<p>For decades now, at least since the 1960s, programmers have been seeking ways to make their software multi-platform. Back in 1990 Patrick Naughton and James Gosling started working on Java, guided by the slogan &quot;Write once, run anywhere&quot;. That slogan should still be our goal. What are we doing to move the society forward to the era when that slogan can be true?<p>In the 1830s and 1840s it was common for the steam engines in locomotives to explode. Early steel bridges sometimes collapsed, because engineers did not know what strain the steel could take. Our society moves forward when important technology becomes so mature and stable that the whole of society can depend on it. At what moment will computers become as reliable as locomotives and steel bridges? And what are we each doing to get us there?