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The Price of Nice Nails

100 点作者 potench大约 10 年前

14 条评论

com2kid大约 10 年前
If the nail salon owners all followed the law and paid their employees properly, the average price of service would increase. The race to the bottom is only because of en masse violations of the law.<p>The state needs to do their job. One year and a thousand or so lawsuits (exactly 0% chance the state has the resources to do this) and the problem will go away. Manicures will end up costing $20 instead of $10, and workers will be able to live like people and not animals.
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stegosaurus大约 10 年前
The posts here are quite funny to read for me.<p>Specifically the idea of &#x27;maybe this job shouldn&#x27;t exist, if it can&#x27;t pay a fair wage&#x27;.<p>Minimum wage is really not a fair wage. In the UK, double minimum is getting close in some cities. In London, triple minimum wage is still essentially a child&#x27;s salary, good for renting and playing around but not for building an actual life - state assistance is essentially required.<p>If you eliminate jobs that do not pay fairly (I think that the faint possibility of ever being able to do anything but work and&#x2F;or suck on the State&#x27;s teat is a reasonable definition of fair), there will either be nothing left for most of the population, or huge wage increases. I don&#x27;t know which. I actually think it&#x27;s worth the gamble, then we can actually deal with what unemployment (and the euphemism-tastic &#x27;underemployment&#x27;) actually means.
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danso大约 10 年前
Kind of off-topic, but recently there was a front-page post here on Vietnamese-Americans&#x27; dominance of the nail salon industry, which is what I think of when I think of the manicure business, too. Though come to think of it, in New York, I rarely saw any Vietnamese-owned salons:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;magazine-32544343" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;magazine-32544343</a>
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analyst74大约 10 年前
I&#x27;ve done below-minimum-wage jobs, and I&#x27;m grateful for them, as someone who just didn&#x27;t know what all the helps are (or not qualified to get help, like those illegal immigrants), where to find jobs and what are available. Those jobs prevented me from starving, gave me confidence, and eventually lead to better paying jobs.<p>Although it would suck if I were illegal immigrant and got stuck on one of those jobs, which this article seems to hint. We need to figure out a way to treat illegal immigrants as normal human beings instead of forcing them into urban equivalent of subsistence farming.<p>Maybe not quite handing out citizenship freely like some of the troubled European countries, but there should be opportunities and hopes to get out of survival mode if they worked hard for it.
clamprecht大约 10 年前
The worst thing has to be the fumes. Anytime I walk by a nail salon, I hold my breath. I can&#x27;t imagine being in one all day, every day.
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zokier大约 10 年前
Somehow I was expecting to read about artisanal fasteners disrupting the industry. I suppose the actual article makes more sense.
dba7dba大约 10 年前
While I agree about the exploitation and breaking laws is bad, every single one of us in US is guilty of benefiting from slave labor.<p>The article got me thinking and I did some searching. A worker in Chinese factory assembling $700 iphone makes about $500 a month salary. No tips. Working 60 hours a week.
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alexggordon大约 10 年前
Well researched and typed article. This is a little tangential, and maybe I&#x27;m just now noticing it, but as of late the New York Times seems to have drastically shifted where it&#x27;s journalistic effort is going. I&#x27;ve always been heavily influenced by Aaron Swartz thoughts on news[0], but as of late the NYT has been directly countering the primary complaint of Aaron, that &quot;none of these stories have relevance to my life&quot;. While I don&#x27;t get my nails done, there have been a significant amount of stories lately that I can directly relate to that have been front[1][2] and center[3][4] of the NYT, and HN.<p>I&#x27;ve never been that big of a fan of the NYT to be honest, but it really seems that the NYT has made (at least a digital) shift away from scare tactics, and un-relatable news. The first thing I thought of is that this was driven by a campaign or organization (an attempt to saturate HN with NYT articles) but outside of a few regular posters in the last month, it doesn&#x27;t seem too irregular[5]. However, it is odd that the _whoishiring account (I know it&#x27;s not official), posted one.<p>Outside of the conspiracy theories, what I do like about the articles is the long form dedication to researching a topic, visualizing some interesting portions of it, relating it to the reader, and making sure it&#x27;s interesting and meaningful. This article in particular make me look at nail solons, which I drive past everyday, in a very different light.<p>[0] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.aaronsw.com&#x2F;weblog&#x2F;hatethenews" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.aaronsw.com&#x2F;weblog&#x2F;hatethenews</a><p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;05&#x2F;08&#x2F;business&#x2F;dealbook&#x2F;bitcoin-exchange-receives-first-license-in-new-york-state.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;05&#x2F;08&#x2F;business&#x2F;dealbook&#x2F;bitcoin-...</a><p>[2] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;04&#x2F;14&#x2F;business&#x2F;owner-of-gravity-payments-a-credit-card-processor-is-setting-a-new-minimum-wage-70000-a-year.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;04&#x2F;14&#x2F;business&#x2F;owner-of-gravity-...</a><p>[3] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;05&#x2F;03&#x2F;magazine&#x2F;want-a-steady-income-theres-an-app-for-that.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;05&#x2F;03&#x2F;magazine&#x2F;want-a-steady-inc...</a><p>[4] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;05&#x2F;02&#x2F;business&#x2F;dealbook&#x2F;ex-goldman-programmer-found-guilty.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;05&#x2F;02&#x2F;business&#x2F;dealbook&#x2F;ex-goldm...</a><p>[5] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;pastebin.com&#x2F;j7m8MD5r" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;pastebin.com&#x2F;j7m8MD5r</a>
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joe5150大约 10 年前
I&#x27;ve never seen an article offered in English, Korean, Chinese and Spanish all at once. Is this more common than I know or does the Times just think this is a really important piece?
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Uhhrrr大约 10 年前
I read the whole article and didn&#x27;t see any figures on how much they make in tips - only that tips were &quot;meager&quot; and &quot;frequently skimmed&quot;.<p>Given that these women aren&#x27;t doing this for love, I have to imagine that having a steady clientele allows them to beat minimum wage. But the article makes it hard to tell.
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randyrand大约 10 年前
There is a huge misunderstanding of economics in this article.<p>Companies can not and will not pay more than the market wage. Nor should they. It is the governments responsibility to make up the difference between the market wage, and a living wage, not the companies.<p>There a numerous benefits to doing it this way. A negative income tax.
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theVirginian大约 10 年前
I thought this was like construction nails before I clicked, which is actually an equally interesting topic according to my friend who owns a contract business. Apparently it has been harder to guaranteed high quality nails in recent decades as a result of cheap manufacturing abroad.
kijin大约 10 年前
The fact that most of these businesses are owned by immigrants and staffed by even more recent immigrants is a major factor in how they can operate so blatantly in defiance of the laws.<p>The article mentions in passing that the Labor Department has a severe shortage of investigators who can speak the languages the manicurists speak (mostly Korean and Chinese -- they have more people who can speak Spanish). But even if they could, what would they find out?<p>Every major Western city has at least one Korean-run website with an informal classified section (usually just a forum), where employers proudly announce below-minimum wages as if they were doing a great favor to the hapless kids who end up working for them. Ditto for the Chinese, and I&#x27;m sure other immigrant communities have them, too. Why aren&#x27;t people reporting these ads to the Labor Department and&#x2F;or IRS? Yeah, those posts aren&#x27;t in English, but nothing a few minutes of Google Translate can&#x27;t fix.<p>It&#x27;s because immigrant kids really have nowhere else to work, with their abysmal English skills and zero knowledge of the American job market. Many of them are international students who are at risk of deportation if the authorities find out that they&#x27;ve been working. A friend or relative probably introduced them to the nail salon, so if they ever betray their employer, the friend or relative will be very disappointed and they&#x27;ll have a hard time finding another job through that channel ever again.<p>Moreover, insular communities like Koreatown don&#x27;t look kindly upon &quot;traitors&quot;. Even though Korea itself has improved by leaps and bounds in recent years, most Korean communities in large Westerm cities are stuck with the mentality that early immigrants brought with them 50 years ago. That means the employer is doing you a totally undeserved favor by offering to hire you for $3.50&#x2F;hr, no pay for the first 3 months, and oh, you gotta return the favor by paying your employer a $100 fee when you start. It&#x27;s seriously backward. It would be difficult to get away with shenanigans like that in Seoul. But in LA, in NYC, nobody questions it. And if you do, good luck walking around Koreatown with a straight face ever again. Your parents will be ashamed of you, etc. etc.<p>Still, there&#x27;s some good news. Younger Koreans no longer give a shit about what their parents think an ideal employer-employee relationship should look like, and they can often just go back to Korea if they aren&#x27;t happy with life in America. The Chinese are still suffering massively, as the article describes at length, because they don&#x27;t have that luxury. But if an abusive Korean business owner ever hires a non-immigrant kid, which they increasingly do because so many American youngsters are out of jobs these days, that&#x27;s a ticking time bomb to a massive lawsuit.<p>The article mentions a Korean nail salon owner who finally got sued and was ordered to pay $474K. A few weeks ago, a Korean restaurant owner in NYC was ordered to pay $2.6M to his abused and overworked employees. More of this needs to happen, and more of it <i>will</i> happen. It&#x27;s about time the Korean immigrant community stopped giving a bad reputation to Korea.
itsnotlupus大约 10 年前
Is it implied that everybody able to read this article has an adblocker installed?<p>As I try to scroll through it, the page forcefully takes me back to be at eye level with one of several video streaming ads at various heights, making reading the entire article essentially impossible.