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California Senate overwhelmingly passes SB 277, abolishing most opt-outs

54 点作者 obeone大约 10 年前

12 条评论

jawns大约 10 年前
I&#x27;m interested to learn about the case law about this as it pertains to the constitutionality of disallowing a religious exemption.<p>Some common vaccines are derived from human fetal cell lines, and those fetal cell lines are themselves derived from a handful of elective abortions. For many of those vaccines, there are alternatives that are not derived from human fetal cell lines, but not all.<p>Several religious denominations that oppose abortion, e.g. the Catholic Church, have addressed this issue and said that such vaccines can and should be used, so long as there is no reasonable alternative and there is a proportionate reason. (The Church&#x27;s reasoning, in case you&#x27;re curious, is that the vaccines&#x27; connection to abortion is considered remote cooperation.)<p>But even though some denominations see the vaccines as permissible, I suppose it might be possible for a person, motivated by religious belief, to be completely on board with the efficacy of the vaccine but oppose how it was created on moral grounds, and so demand a religious exemption.<p>Typically in the U.S., religious beliefs must be reasonably accommodated. I would think that someone who objects to the vaccine mandate on religious grounds could make the argument that if it is possible for <i>anyone</i> to be accommodated (in this case, those with medical issues), then accommodation itself should be considered reasonable, and it&#x27;s just a matter of determining whether accommodating both is so risky as to be unreasonable.<p>In other words, if we&#x27;re willing to assume X amount of risk by allowing medical exemptions, then it follows that at least <i>some</i> risk can be tolerated. And if a religious objector can show that additionally assuming Y risk by allowing religious objections is not substantially more risky, then I think they could make the case that it should be considered reasonable to also accommodate religious beliefs.
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bluehazed大约 10 年前
&gt; &quot;The only thing we can do is continue to educate our officials&quot; about the personal belief exemption, said Lisa Bakshi, a mother from Placer County. &quot;The parents who do it now do it for very legitimate reasons. We don&#x27;t do it because we are uninformed.&quot;<p>This isn&#x27;t being uninformed, it&#x27;s being <i>actively</i> uninformed.
ChuckMcM大约 10 年前
I certainly hope this makes it past the Assembly and into law. I am stunned at how rancorous the debate has been though. If I ever questioned if there was a problem with science education, that question has been soundly answered. Way too many people are getting through our primary education system with absolutely no understanding of how science, as a process and discipline works. And that is a very sad thing indeed.
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outworlder大约 10 年前
Perhaps now people will stop calling it a &#x27;controversy&#x27;? That word makes it the concerns seem legitimate.<p>There is no such &#x27;controversy&#x27; in Brazil, for instance. The vaccination programs have been very successful. Several life-threatening diseases were greatly reduced or even eradicated, no matter how poor the region. We did have a revolt, in 1904 (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Vaccine_Revolt" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Vaccine_Revolt</a>)<p>Vaccines are one of the humankind&#x27;s greatest accomplishments. To avoid vaccinations due to fuzzy &quot;religious grounds&quot; is to turn the clock backwards at least a century.
jakeogh大约 10 年前
The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hhs.gov&#x2F;ohrp&#x2F;archive&#x2F;nurcode.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hhs.gov&#x2F;ohrp&#x2F;archive&#x2F;nurcode.html</a>
istvan__大约 10 年前
Great news, this means the vaccination numbers can go back to the western world level in the LA private schools.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&#x2F;health&#x2F;archive&#x2F;2014&#x2F;09&#x2F;wealthy-la-schools-vaccination-rates-are-as-low-as-south-sudans&#x2F;380252&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&#x2F;health&#x2F;archive&#x2F;2014&#x2F;09&#x2F;wealthy-la...</a>
walterbell大约 10 年前
What are the 10 vaccines being mandated?
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ermintrude大约 10 年前
It&#x27;s about time we stop giving religious beliefs any special treatment at all compared to actual measurable evidence (e.g. inhumanely killing animals, mutilating&#x2F;indoctrinating children, etc.).
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mapgrep大约 10 年前
Just FYI, this is an inaccurate headline (&quot;No More Vaccine Exemptions: California Senate Overwhelmingly Passes SB 277&quot;).<p>&quot;No More Vaccine Exemptions&quot; will be true only IF this passes the Assembly, where it faces a tougher fight. (Then the governor must sign it, but this is expected to happen.)<p>(I wish HN headlines about politics were half as accurate as the technical ones. See also <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9276841" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9276841</a>)
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paulhauggis大约 10 年前
&quot;The science is clear: Vaccines are safe and efficacious.&quot;<p>Nothing is 100% safe. So when they say something like this, it&#x27;s pretty scary. I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s causing autism, but some people do have ill effects due to vaccines.
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wehadfun大约 10 年前
I see a lot of pro vax people here. (Wonder how many of you actually have children less than 2 years old). Anyway here are some things that concerned me:<p>1. &quot;Vaccines are safe&quot; - The U.S. has the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program [1]. In short it pays people who are hurt by vaccines. If vaccines are so safe why is this program needed?<p>2. &quot;We had these vaccines as Kids&quot; - The vaccine injury program made vaccine manufactures not be liable for injuries cause by their vaccine. This happened in 1988. &quot;Since 1988, the U.S. childhood immunization schedule has rapidly expanded&quot;[2]. In you are older than 28 you did NOT receive a lot of these vaccines as a kid.<p>There is a whole lot more but I don&#x27;t feel like writing a book.<p>[1]<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hrsa.gov&#x2F;vaccinecompensation&#x2F;index.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hrsa.gov&#x2F;vaccinecompensation&#x2F;index.html</a> [2]<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cdc.gov&#x2F;mmwr&#x2F;preview&#x2F;mmwrhtml&#x2F;00038256.htm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cdc.gov&#x2F;mmwr&#x2F;preview&#x2F;mmwrhtml&#x2F;00038256.htm</a>
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jessriedel大约 10 年前
This article survives on HN because it strokes people&#x27;e scientific literacy egos and lets them feel outraged and&#x2F;or look down on others. This is not of sufficient intellectual interest to warrant being on the front page.
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