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Ask HN: How do I get my first contracting client?

142 点作者 haack将近 10 年前
I want to do some contracting the next few months but I'll be honest, I have no idea how to go about starting. How do people find their first client?

27 条评论

aidos将近 10 年前
Hmmm - I read in one of your comments that you&#x27;re just graduating. Does that mean you haven&#x27;t done any industry coding work? If so, I&#x27;m not sure that it&#x27;s a great idea to jump straight into contracting.<p>You learn a lot in the first year or two on a job. Looking at it from a hiring position I would never take on an inexperienced dev on a contract (no offence, you may be great). Junior positions are like an apprenticeship; you know you&#x27;re sinking time into someone but are hoping that over time they&#x27;ll start providing value. Contractors are generally expected to have experience and, accordingly, they cost more.<p>If you&#x27;ve spent a bit of time at a job (2 years is a fairly normal time to leave) there are a couple of tricks you could try that worked for me.<p>A) Tell them you&#x27;re leaving but you&#x27;re available for contract work. You&#x27;re a known quantity, you know their systems&#x2F;products and can work efficiently when they need the extra resources. They will send you work (and some will just take you back on a contract straight away - that&#x27;s how I started contracting).<p>B) If you&#x27;ve worked at an agency, ask to take some of their clients. It might sound insane, but every agency has clients they don&#x27;t really want. Small clients that have been around for a while that they still need to service. That work is just unprofitable noise as an agency grows bigger. As a one-man-band it&#x27;s perfect. The client is used to paying agency rates and with you they get personal service from the person who was doing their dev work anyway. I have clients from this arrangement that have been amazing.<p>Hope that helps in some small way.
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jorgeleo将近 10 年前
If I had to put it in one phrase: work on making your fame preceed you<p>Make some of your work public, have your blog<p>Network between people, assuming you are in the us, make yourself member of the chamber of commerce of your area, participate not only in tech forums, but in business forums too.<p>Be nice, be competent, be helpful, all this publically.<p>Clients are a side effect of this
gk1将近 10 年前
You already got the hard part done: Getting on the front page of HN. Now hurry and add more details about yourself in this thread and&#x2F;or in your profile. There&#x27;s a good chance someone reading this could use your help; help them get in touch with you.<p>(One of my first contracts came as a result of an HN thread, and because I have my contact info in my profile.)
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damoncali将近 10 年前
Build something that looks nice so you can show people. Use a good theme or pay a designer. It&#x27;s more important that it looks nice than that it works well.<p>Then start going to networking events for entrepreneurs and meet people - you will get quite a few offers, mostly crappy, to build the next Facebook. Politely say no to these. Eventually, you&#x27;ll find someone who needs something simple enough that you can deliver it and make him happy. Take this job even if the pay isn&#x27;t so hot (but do get paid - a portion up front). Ideally, it would be a 6 week-ish project - enough to be significant, but not enough for you or your your client to get in over your heads.<p>Keep doing that until the referrals start to come in. Make sure every single client is happy - contracting is a referral business. If I had a dollar for every client who came to me because their developer flaked out, I wouldn&#x27;t need work.<p>You can also do this at local small business groups (not the tech entrepreneurs, but the the plumbers, accountants, and store owners) - just go and start introducing yourself. You won&#x27;t get any cool work like this - mostly just Wordpress sites - but it&#x27;s easier work to come by, and can pay just as well if you&#x27;re smart about it. This might even be a better way to start because you get more, smaller, clients who can start your referral network. More clients = more referrals.
usermac将近 10 年前
There are 2 ways to do it: 1) Cold call on the phone or in-person. I did this for 9 month back in the day before I got my first client. It was uncomfortable for me as a young man but necessary. 2) Steal them. You probably hear this in lore of people leaving a company and then working for that company as a consultant. Not exactly. What I did was tell those clients while I was working for the man that I could do the work as &quot;extra&quot; work. It worked also.<p>I know, I know, it&#x27;s not ethical but there is a saying in China &quot;the first pan of gold is dirty&quot;.<p>So end-the-end both methods worked for me. My clients came, some much later that I wanted but came. It took months and some worked in 2-year cycles and and would not use me again for 2 years but they&#x27;d come back.<p>Good luck to you.<p>It gets easier after the first few. They wind up referring you to new clients. That part is great.
brudgers将近 10 年前
Suppose you wanted to moonlight as a chimney sweep, what steps might you take? Well there are two contexts.<p>1. Any chimney might or might not need sweeping. Any random person might or might not have a chimney. This means that just telling the people you meet that you are available as a chimney sweep might result in work.<p>2. There aren&#x27;t chimneys in hobo camps. Wealthy people tend to hire trades workers. This means that efforts marketing should be targeted at people who hire chimney sweeps.<p>That&#x27;s consulting. It&#x27;s preparing the ground to increase the odds of being lucky enough to find a job and then being saavy enough to land it and capable enough to complete it. Then you&#x27;re back at square one.<p>Developing a backlog of consulting work takes a really long time, a track record, and more luck. The image of &quot;picking up&quot; consulting gigs is not helpful. It&#x27;s picks and hammers and salt mines and most of the veins you hit when you are lucky enough to hit one, run dry quickly. Any consultant who hits the mother load was lucky and probably built the mother load theirself.<p>The easiest way to get started in consulting is to work for another consultant. The industry is famous for hiring free-lance talent to balance work load. Which hits the final point: There is no planning to do consulting. Until the contract is signed there is no consulting to be done. Even after the contract is signed, there often is no consulting to be done, or less consulting than the contract might suggest or less payment than one might be entitled to.<p>There aren&#x27;t people just standing around waiting to hire consultants. It&#x27;s sales with the leads and prospects and closings and collections that come with that process.<p>Good luck.
cgabios将近 10 年前
0. Spread time in coffee shops in tech areas, go to conferences snd events<p>1. Talk to people, be nice, sincere, helpful and polite. Give and get contact info (cards or details). (But don&#x27;t let them milk you for too many freebies, at some point you need to charge for your time. Be clear and upfront about what you&#x27;re willing and not willing to give away. Beware the &quot;friend&quot; psuedoclient that wants to pick your brain at all hours, at random without golden-rule consideration.)<p>2. Follow up and don&#x27;t forget to follow up
awjr将近 10 年前
1) Create 1 page CV, add extra pages for detailed work history.<p>2) Submit to jobsites knowing rates you should get.<p>3) Wait about 2 hours. Pick up phone.<p>-- Agent will identify you are &#x27;new&#x27; and will try and offer lower rates.<p>-- Ensure Agent only submits CV to companies you agree.<p>4) Go to interviews<p>5) Accept job. Register company and bank account.<p>6) Accept agent is making money off you but pays you almost immediately.<p>7) Profit<p>If you are looking for more freelance work, then I suggest you attend various meetups and tech events and get your name out there. I would also strongly suggest you consider using elance to &#x27;farm out&#x27; work that you could do yourself at a cheaper rate and then you can &#x27;audit&#x27; the work. Never farm out work you could not have completed yourself. You will get let down. You will have to get your hands dirty.
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wellboy将近 10 年前
Freelancing is a numbers game. If you&#x27;re in a city with a good startup ecosystem go to all tech events you can find for two weeks and hand out business cards letting people know what you do. After that you&#x27;ll have your first client. :)<p>Face to face connections are very strong and it worked really well for me.
rch将近 10 年前
Back in the early 2000s I would just sit down in a coffee shop with a small laptop (about the size of a modern Air). Every other person would ask about it, so I&#x27;d mention how it well it ran visual studio (true); the conversation often turned to work.<p>These days I&#x27;d probably post on the freelancer HN page and look around on Craigslist... I actually ended up as a subcontractor to NASA writing code to contribute to an Eclipse project via Craigslist last year (YMMV).
peteretep将近 10 年前
I&#x27;m guessing you mean freelancing; why don&#x27;t you give a little more detail on exactly what you can do? I suspect generalized advice will be less useful to you than specific advice.
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moron4hire将近 10 年前
Don&#x27;t get stuck in a rut of trying to find work in the same ways all the time. Internet job boards are enticing because they are easy, but they are really low-value; it typically takes a lot of repeated effort to even get contacts out of them.<p>Networking in person--by attending meetups and conferences <i>in your potential customers&#x27; market</i> (don&#x27;t waste your time on tech meetups if you&#x27;re just looking for work)--is slower and emotionally harder, but has a much, much higher yield.<p>It takes effort either way. I personally like the in person approach. I feel I do better in person than on paper. People get to see my enthusiasm, whereas trying to write enthusiasm into things often comes off as just fake.<p>Go to where your customers are. My wife has given up advertising her sci-fi novel online. We now go to book fairs. Bam--pre-filtered group of customers looking to buy <i>now</i>. I don&#x27;t advertise my services online anymore, I now stick to meeting people at conferences. Best set of contacts I got from a conference was one at which I had spoke on a discussion panel.<p>Spend the small amount of money on a booth. Setup a few demos of your work. It&#x27;s a lot easier than you think, and it doesn&#x27;t have to be perfect; some people like the &quot;I&#x27;m just starting out and don&#x27;t know much about these booth things yet&quot; story.<p>I&#x27;ve never gotten anything but run-around and bad deals out of recruiters.
ddingus将近 10 年前
Take a job, get some experience and perspective. While at that job, network with others, compare experiences and think about how you would do things and why that matters and what it&#x27;s worth. As this happens, you will gain the insight you need to sell your contract services.<p>Then, job scenario permitting, take a contract. Complete it, and take another one, ideally at a better rate, or that is more challenging, or both!<p><i>Continue to network. If it were me, I would make sure sales people and that process is part of your network. Tech people often don&#x27;t enjoy sales, and that&#x27;s perfectly understandable. Do it anyway. Do it because contractors &#x2F; consultants do much better when they&#x27;ve got a good understanding of the sales process and the &quot;science&quot; behind it. When you approach sales in a technical way, identifying value, helping others to understand it and being able to ask them for the business means more frequent and better gigs. All of that reduces your risk and improves your income.<p>At some point, you will understand how you can make it on your own and then you can leave the job and go do that.<p></i>...by &quot;network&quot;, I mean meeting people and talking about stuff as well as using the Internet, blog, social media, etc... to establish your personal brand and value.
ilaksh将近 10 年前
If you don&#x27;t mind being relatively poor you can go on upwork (odesk), find a few projects with some kind of spec or a particular technology they want, build 1-5 demos, and you will probably get a gig. Works for me. I am poor but I don&#x27;t have to go put of the house ever if I don&#x27;t want to, and there is always plenty of interesting work.
PeterWhittaker将近 10 年前
We came to this point with different backgrounds (you, a recent graduate; me, 13 years of industry experience with a specific knowledge area that was in some demand), so take this with a grain of salt or two.<p>1. Hustle. Network. Cold call. However you want to describe it. Reach out to your friends and acquaintances, tell them quickly and succinctly what you want to do.<p>2 (this should perhaps be 0). Pick something. You are young and can afford to pick the <i>wrong</i> or <i>less optimal</i> thing, but pick something you must: If you don&#x27;t, no one will know what you do, no one will want you.<p>3. When you talk to people, always get something. Best case, a job offer. Worst case, the phone number for someone they know who might have a job offer.<p>4. Call, introduce yourself briefly, explain how you got their number, ask if you can meet face to face. If they say no, ask for someone else&#x27;s phone number (&quot;I understand, thanks for your time. Do you know of anyone else who might need this kind of work?&quot; or words to that effect).<p>5. Meet. Let people get to know you. Force nothing. Get comfortable with this stage, <i>it is key, vital, fundamental</i> to freelancing, contracting.<p>6. Always get something, a name, a number, another meeting. Bears repeating.<p>7. As you do this, you will notice trends and patterns, subjects areas or people who come up again and again. Pay attention to this.<p>8. Based on #7, your best informed guesses, and your gut, narrow that list of people or subjects down to 1 or 2.<p>9. Roll the dice on those. Pursue them with your every waking moment.<p>A. When you have a job, spend part of looking for the next one - but temper your forwardness, your obviousness about this to the culture in which you work. Some will think nothing of this, find it perfectly normal; others will want discretion. Pay attention to this.<p>Alternatively, look at job ads, find one that interests you, start the interview process, and &quot;hedge&quot; as you get closer: &quot;It&#x27;s an interesting position, but I don&#x27;t think it is what I am looking for long term. Would you consider hiring on a contract basis?&quot;<p>ADDED: You are under no obligation to reveal everything. Be friendly, be collegial, but be professional. Get good at answering with non-specific sentences: &quot;What are your career goals?&quot; &quot;Long term, my interests are in X, Y, and Z. Short term, I want to work independently to gain first hand business experience.&quot; Say it with conviction, that will close avenues of questioning. I write this because some will attempt to derail you, try to slot you into their boxes. You have to be firm but polite about staying on your own path.
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wsc981将近 10 年前
In the Netherlands there&#x27;s a company that calls itself a &quot;Maatschap&quot; (The Future Group). It&#x27;s a company that helps freelancers find work. Perhaps such companies exist in your country as well.<p>The &quot;Maatschap&quot; has several sales people that try to find jobs. Jobs are then proposed to &quot;Maten&quot; (freelancers working for the &quot;Maatschap&quot;) and the can choose to take the job or not. Of course, the freelancer will pay a certain percentage of his wage to &quot;The Maatschap&quot;.<p>Then there are companies like ComputerFutures and Qualogy that provide more or less the same options and I think both companies operate internationally. I&#x27;ve been placed at my current job through ComputerFutures, while still being a freelancer.
superskierpat将近 10 年前
Put yourself out there, I got my first contract by mentioning my line of study to clients from my ski instructor job. Then, after befriending the school counsellor, i got the contract I&#x27;m on now because he reffered me to a friend of his in a local startup.
ownagefool将近 10 年前
Which country you in? If it&#x27;s in the UK, you can pretty much just apply for jobs online. That said, the clients generally want short notice periods.
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regisb将近 10 年前
I can&#x27;t believe no one has mentioned LinkedIn yet. I have received virtually all my inbound contacts through my LinkedIn profile. Explicitely mention your new status (&quot;consultant&quot;&#x2F;&quot;freelancer&quot; + your specialty) as your main activity and I can assure you you will get contract offers. They will not be the best in the world, but that will improve with time (and new connections).
thornofmight将近 10 年前
Hang out on the freenode freelancing channels.<p>I work in Magento. I hung out in #magento, and #magento-jobs, and a few other more general PHP&#x2F;HTML freelance channels (#startups can help you find channel names for freelancing). I answered questions in #magento for a month or so, got a little bit of rep, then started responding to requests for work. Eventually I got work. Some of it turned into reoccurring work.
linuxydave将近 10 年前
What city are you in? It really depends on your location. For example, I&#x27;m in London and when I started contracting I simply uploaded my CV to a job site and my phone exploded with calls from recruiters because the demand for contractors here is so high.
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erroneousfunk将近 10 年前
Like other commenters have said, I would recommend waiting for a bit and working in industry to get a feel for how large projects work, and fail.<p>You&#x27;ll know you&#x27;re ready when they start coming to you ;)
throwaway12357将近 10 年前
For those in the UK do the &quot;attend meets&quot; and &quot;network&quot; advices still apply? Or is it still normal to get a good gig from job descriptions posted online?
jamessun将近 10 年前
With apologies to Glengarry Glen Ross (a must see movie, BTW)...<p>Always Be Networking<p>Good luck!
UK-AL将近 10 年前
In the UK most contracting jobs are advertised along with normal jobs.
jackgavigan将近 10 年前
jobserve.com or eLance-oDesk
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comrade1将近 10 年前
Hit the virtual pavement.<p>When I decided to take on a new consulting client I researched the local businesses and created a list of around 10 that could potentially need programming work and matched my area of programming background. I then did email contacts to arrange an in-person meeting. (face-to-face is very important)<p>I was lucky and found a small company (just two guys) right away that were changing their focus from print&#x2F;radio&#x2F;tv healthcare messaging to internet and mobile. It started out as a normal hourly rate, but I eventually negotiated to a revenue sharing model and then later I negotiated to own 13% of the company + revenue sharing. This happened over the course of about 10 years and it&#x27;s still going strong. (I started with my high normal consulting rate and then later cut that in half as part of the revenue sharing agreement, then much later when I took ownership of the company I now no longer charge hourly and am paid entirely through the revenue sharing)<p>I&#x27;ve also used other people I&#x27;ve worked with in the past to help me in my consulting projects. So if you have friends or professional contacts that you&#x27;ve worked well with in the past it works to contact them. Word of mouth goes a long way in this business. And I&#x27;ve also met potential clients at local meet ups, but those have yet to pan out but I think if I really pushed it I could get some work out of them.<p>Also, if you have a tech incubator in your area try to meet up with the startups in the incubator. I&#x27;ve done that in two cities (one in CA, one in Europe) and it&#x27;s worked well.<p>Also, be aware of scummy people and any decisions that you make that can affect your future career. I lived near the &#x27;other&#x27; valley where most porn is produced and received unsolicited contacts from small porn companies. I didn&#x27;t take on any of those projects which is good because later I did consulting in Defense and NSA projects and also worked for a major San Jose based tech company for a couple of years.
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