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Idea of paying citizens a yearly stipend is gaining support in Switzerland

69 点作者 roger_burkhard将近 10 年前

11 条评论

atemerev将近 10 年前
Many journalists don&#x27;t understand how Swiss political system works. We have a direct (not representative) democracy here. Most issues are resolved on the referendums happening every two months. All kinds of issues — new taxes, foreign relations, public projects — all is subject to direct vote of the Swiss people, who have all law-making authority here (systematically regulated).<p>The direct consequence of this otherwise excellent system is that basically anyone can collect 20,000 signatures and introduce his or her idea to the public voting, no matter how crazy it looks like. This is one of such cases.<p>We already had law suggestions like make all public transportation free (didn&#x27;t pass), abolish Swiss army (many times — didn&#x27;t pass), disallow construction of minarets (passed), etc.<p>The guaranteed basic income law has been rejected with a huge margin — because Swiss people have basic understanding of who would have been paying for this, and who wouldn&#x27;t.
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yodsanklai将近 10 年前
I have no idea on the consequences this would have on the economy. But I like the idea of replacing other very costly social measures (such as unemployment benefits) with a universal income. We keep seeing unemployment as a huge failure of our system when at the same time, we&#x27;re happy that innovation increases productivity and automation.<p>Maybe universal basic income is the paradigm switch that we need.
cpursley将近 10 年前
The best argument that I&#x27;ve heard for universal basic income appeals to my reason, and I&#x27;m a pretty hard-core libertarian on most issues.<p>For it to work, we should move away from taxing production (income) to progressively taxing consumption (sliding scale from basics -&gt; luxury).<p>Until the &quot;punish the rich&quot; (left) and &quot;eat the poor&quot; (right) finger-pointing politics is removed, we&#x27;re not going to be able to solve problems.
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ende将近 10 年前
Any time a UBI is mentioned I think it is important to point out that the program is traditionally paired with (and funded exclusively by) a Land Value Tax. This is an important point because the UBI is not an income redistribution mechanism, but rather it is a mechanism for paying out to society the rent paid to society for the right to own land and enjoy the provlidge of property rights institutionalizing the concept of land ownership. This is akin to the citizens&#x27;s dividend paid out from state oil revenues in Alaska.<p>For more information on the reasoning behind these ideas, see the works of Henry George and Thomas Paine.
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vorg将近 10 年前
If this was tried in Australia, the average residential rent would suddenly go up, and the landlords would end up with all that money.
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caio1982将近 10 年前
TL;DR: basic income might be a pipe dream in developed nations but in development countries it could be a huge social changer<p>I&#x27;m not arguing this would work or not in Switzerland with that huge basic income (to my Brazilian standards) but basic income might be an interesting concept for developing countries where hunger is still a problem. Well, exactly like in Brazil.<p>I don&#x27;t believe we&#x27;d have the Australian problem -- that someone else mentioned in here -- of rents going up and the basic income of people being diluted in the economy making general prices higher. It has been proposed before a basic income of between 50-75 USD per month and I believe currently there&#x27;s only a single city in the whole country where it&#x27;s effectively in use; that&#x27;s never been approved in country-level, that&#x27;s why.<p>That may seem an extremely low income but when you&#x27;re starving that&#x27;s a LOT of money, specially in the country side, and it&#x27;s enough to make a huge impact in the economy and the development of the country in the long term. I don&#x27;t think anyone who makes 20x more money than that monthly would worry about it, so no evil landlords to mess with the plan... in theory. Also, because that would apply for ANYONE who lives in the country (even foreigners), there wouldn&#x27;t be this &quot;they get it, I don&#x27;t&quot; feeling that could generate hatred between classes. And honestly, to the middle-class 50-75 bucks is nearly nothing.<p>PS: there&#x27;s a country-level law in Brazil that institutes some social security for poor families (the so called &quot;Bolsa-Família&quot;), but it&#x27;s not treated nor seen as a basic income law by all means<p>PPS: sorry for the lack of supportive links, but Google is your friend as this subject is pretty popular in the Brazilian media. Search for news mentioning the former senator Eduardo Suplicy, the first to propose all that
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mappu将近 10 年前
(April 2014)
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tonyedgecombe将近 10 年前
30,000 CHF seems very high to me, why didn&#x27;t they start much lower?
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tomcam将近 10 年前
Why work if there&#x27;s a guaranteed income? What happens when payouts exceed available money from taxpayers?
louithethrid将近 10 年前
Its basically just a renaming of the unemployment social service program?
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crimsonalucard将近 10 年前
This type of thing can generate freeloaders who deliberately choose not to work; something no economy wants. I understand and agree with the heart of the idea though.<p>A better alternative would be to offer the possibility of a guaranteed government job with a guaranteed minimum pay. This sort of thing was done on a massive scale in the united states during the great depression. See the PWA: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Public_Works_Administration" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Public_Works_Administration</a>
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