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Sexual Paranoia Strikes Academe

93 点作者 vilda将近 10 年前

13 条评论

jseliger将近 10 年前
&quot;I&#x27;m a liberal professor, and my liberal students terrify me&quot; is a good companion piece to this one: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vox.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;6&#x2F;3&#x2F;8706323&#x2F;college-professor-afraid" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vox.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;6&#x2F;3&#x2F;8706323&#x2F;college-professor-afrai...</a> . Laura Kipnis wrote a follow-up essay about a Title IX witch hunt, but it&#x27;s behind a firewall: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;chronicle.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;My-Title-IX-Inquisition&#x2F;230489&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;chronicle.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;My-Title-IX-Inquisition&#x2F;230489&#x2F;</a> .<p>In 2000 Francine Prose wrote a hilarious and sometimes sad novel called <i>Blue Angel</i> (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Blue-Angel-Novel-Francine-Prose&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0060882034?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=thstsst-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Blue-Angel-Novel-Francine-Prose&#x2F;dp&#x2F;006...</a>), which is worth reading both for its own sake and because its story and themes are compatible with Kipnis&#x27;s. Decades of academic satires seem to have had near zero effect on campus politics.<p>(I taught as a grad student at the University of Arizona and have been teaching as an adjunct at Marymount Manhattan College.)
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danso将近 10 年前
Speaking as a college faculty member...this essay is just fucking absurd. The problem is not <i>just</i> the power dynamic that the professor wields over the student, but that an intimate relationship creates an uncomfortable, likely <i>hostile</i> environment for <i>everyone else who is not fucking the professor</i>.<p>Think about it...assuming that you (like most HNers) are male, you&#x27;d be at a distinct disadvantage -- especially in engineering and CS -- if your (presumably male and heterosexual) professors felt OK to pursue sexual relationships with the relatively few women in their classes...while the males have no chance to boost their grade with such favoritism. Even in a more egalitarian scenario, where the professor is bisexual and has no problem with being intimate with anyone in the class...well, the students who are less attractive, or choose to pursue a monogamous relationship with a non-professor...again, they&#x27;re going to get screwed by the curve.<p>The OP comes off as a self-involved brat who has been tenured so long that she doesn&#x27;t remember what it&#x27;s like to have to spend $20,000 to $80,000 a year (obviously, she doesn&#x27;t...that kind of money for tuition is a recent phenomenon) for a college education. The rules against professor-student relationships aren&#x27;t there to baby the students, they&#x27;re there to protect against incentives and dynamic that fuck everyone else over, not just the student who manages to score with their professor.<p>edit: In the rare chance that your true love coincidentally happens to be in a class you teach...OK, stranger things have happened in life. So do the <i>adult</i> thing: quit your job, then continue the relationship. True love should be stronger than the benefits of a tenured position. Don&#x27;t screw it up for all the other poor students whom the gods did not make to be your soulmate.
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lectrick将近 10 年前
The victimless-crime police strike again<p>Seriously though... Unless there is an <i>evidentiary, demonstrable</i> long-term negative&#x2F;harm to any given voluntary adult human interaction (say, to an institution, or to society at large, or to the educational process)... I think we need to live and let live.<p>Distaste and offense are not rational arguments against something
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mbrutsch将近 10 年前
&gt; For the record, I strongly believe that bona fide harassers should be chemically castrated, stripped of their property, and hung up by their thumbs in the nearest public square.<p>And the author wonders why things are like they are.
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mistermann将近 10 年前
I feel sorry for what the various special interests groups are increasingly doing to girls growing up, so many conflicting ideas pushing and pulling them in contradictory directions.<p>Boys have it so much easier in this respect - yes, the downside for them is they are often the victim of trumped up &quot;rape&quot; charges, but at least they don&#x27;t have to contend with the mental health aspects of being simultaneously told that they are both all powerful (you go girl, you can do anything) and a perpetual victim (misogyny everywhere, all the time, etc).<p>Adolescence and young adulthood is confusing enough without experiencing it as if in a house of mirrors.
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GFK_of_xmaspast将近 10 年前
You wouldn&#x27;t think &#x27;don&#x27;t fuck your undergrads&#x27; would be as controversial a statement as it is.
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gadders将近 10 年前
It&#x27;s not hard, is it? Don&#x27;t have relationships with students you teach. If you&#x27;re teaching Maths and you have a relationship with a History of Art student, fair enough. However, dating one of your own students is as bad as dating a subordinate at work. Just don&#x27;t do it.
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Steuard将近 10 年前
I&#x27;ve been a professor for close to ten years now, and I can&#x27;t tell you how strongly I disagreed with this essay. Maybe it&#x27;s a generational thing: a perception of what&#x27;s acceptable in life even outside academia. For instance, she says,<p>&gt; &quot;Somehow I don’t see the publishing industry instituting codes banning unhappily married editors from going goopy over authors,&quot;<p>but from my perspective, the story she relayed showed exactly why publishers should (and, I think, often do) fire or strongly sanction any editor who abuses his or her position in that way. Part of the author&#x27;s point seems to be, &quot;We need to prepare students for the dangers of the world out there,&quot; which I think is entirely sensible. But her proposed solution appears to be, &quot;Make sure that college provides practice fending off unwanted advances by people with power over you,&quot; while I&#x27;d much prefer, &quot;Make sure that college teaches them those advances aren&#x27;t acceptable.&quot;<p>Don&#x27;t get me wrong: I think sex can be <i>awesome</i>, and I think a whole lot of people are way too eager to make rules about what other consenting adults ought to be able to do. But the thought of a professor putting a student in a position where they fear the consequences of saying no (when they might be counting on that professor for a good grade or a recommendation letter) just horrifies me. Professors: if you want to get it on at work, you&#x27;ve got plenty of colleagues to choose from. And if there&#x27;s some student you&#x27;re convinced is your soulmate, just cross your damned legs for a couple years.
rpiguy99将近 10 年前
This article fails to note that a lot of the paranoia is driven by the slow infantilization of 18 year-olds since the author was in college. When the author of this article was in college, pre-AIDs, therefore probably late 70&#x27;s or early 80s, an 18 year-old was allowed to drink and would largely be considered an &quot;adult.&quot; If you weren&#x27;t in college, you were likely working full time, and not living with your parents until you were 26. You probably had an older brother, cousin, or uncle who was drafted sent to Vietnam at around 18-19 years of age.<p>So back then when you hooked up with a professor, people probably thought you were stupid, but you were an adult and you owned your stupidity.<p>Today colleges totally infantilize their students and it has become more like extended high school (lots of homework, attendance taken, strict rules of social conduct, etc.) than what the author experienced 35 years ago. But to be fair, it is not just colleges, what society expects out of an 18 year old has changed dramatically as well - so the way power dynamics are looked at on campus today sort of makes sense.
nateabele将近 10 年前
&gt; <i>Personally I’d start by promoting a less vulnerable sense of self than the one our new campus codes are peddling.</i><p>Not possible.<p>A less vulnerable sense of self runs dangerously close to the idea that students are accountable for their actions, which is directly antithetical to the culture of adolescence that is being dragged into ever-higher age groups.
eli_gottlieb将近 10 年前
I&#x27;m sure everyone will now fly into a moral panic about not being allowed to have sex with whom they please. All I wish to point out is that, seemingly unmentioned in this article, the power relation between professor and student really <i>has</i> changed, as the academic job market has gotten that much more difficult.<p>Other than that, carry on. Happy moral panic, and may the odds be ever in your favor!
stefantalpalaru将近 10 年前
&gt; [...] popularized the use of the term &quot;survivor,&quot; previously reserved for those who’d survived the Holocaust.<p>I agree with the author that it&#x27;s wrong to use &quot;survivor&quot; instead of &quot;accuser&quot; when the guilt has not been established, but you can not reserve such a generic word as &quot;survivor&quot;. It simply means somebody who survived something life-threatening.
jessaustin将近 10 年前
If the adverbial phrase &quot;stupidly and inchoately&quot; appears, it must be the Chronicle.