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Google Self-Driving Car Project Monthly Report [pdf]

95 点作者 Nogwater将近 10 年前

16 条评论

brownbat将近 10 年前
I&#x27;m fascinated by the accidents. The AV is stopped at a light. Someone rear-ends it. Minimal damage.<p>Probably similar accidents are occurring every minute between human drivers, going unreported as the rule.<p>AVs might one day even avoid this &quot;victimization,&quot; if these events keep following a predictable pattern. AVs could exaggerate the gap, leave a precisely calibrated amount of extra space. When anticipating a rear end collision, the AV would honk and flash brake lights while scooting forward.<p>Google&#x27;s absolutely correct that its AVs are never at fault in any of these accidents, legally speaking. Does blame change though if there are ways the AI can prevent this series of similar accidents, but they choose not to?<p>The AV yields to those running a red light, even though getting t-boned wouldn&#x27;t legally be the AV&#x27;s fault. That seems wise to me. Is it inconsistent to expect the AV to avoid getting t-boned, but not expect it to avoid getting rear-ended? I&#x27;m not sure...<p>Or, more broadly: How do you divide blame between two parties when one has superhuman faculties? Is the AI responsible for everything it could have conceivably been programmed to prevent? Or do you just hold it to a human standard?<p>Like all hard problems, neither extreme is very satisfying.
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downandout将近 10 年前
While most human drivers have a hard time avoiding rear-end collisions in which they are the victim, it would save a fair number of people from gruesome deaths if they would build some sort of rear collision avoidance logic for situations where it may be possible for the system to get the car out of harm&#x27;s way. There seem to be hundreds of accidents like this [1] annually where large trucks smash into cars stopped at red lights or that have slowed down during traffic jams.<p>Perhaps the cars should constantly be planning escape routes while slowing down and stopping with appropriate distance from those in front of it to allow for escape should it detect an inevitable collision from behind. Even where the only possible escape route involves hitting another car, it should be able to make the decision that a light collision with a vehicle in another lane is perferable to a large truck hitting it at 70mph.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wtsp.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;news&#x2F;traffic&#x2F;2015&#x2F;04&#x2F;12&#x2F;fatal-crash-pasco-county&#x2F;25670699&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wtsp.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;news&#x2F;traffic&#x2F;2015&#x2F;04&#x2F;12&#x2F;fatal-cras...</a>
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Pfhreak将近 10 年前
The thing that really stands out here isn&#x27;t that the accidents occurred (which is sort of amusing), but rather the excellent analytics the car produced. The car knew where it was, how long it was stopped, the conditions at the time of the accident, and the relative velocities of the vehicle that caused the accident. This is going to change the nature of automobile accidents entirely. The amount of data we&#x27;ll be able to collect from even the simplest fender bender will be fantastic.
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r0naa将近 10 年前
I have the weird feeling that this report hasn&#x27;t been written by a human.
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lovelearning将近 10 年前
I found the linked TED talk [1] fascinating.<p>[1]:<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ted.com&#x2F;talks&#x2F;chris_urmson_how_a_driverless_car_sees_the_road" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ted.com&#x2F;talks&#x2F;chris_urmson_how_a_driverless_car_...</a>
DannoHung将近 10 年前
Have any of the AV teams said anything about testing in hazardous road conditions yet?<p>Driving rain, thick fog, heavy snow, sleet, the like. Maybe the answer they&#x27;ll give is, &quot;Don&#x27;t drive you dummy&quot;, but that&#x27;s not really an acceptable solution for most people.
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kriro将近 10 年前
What happens after an incident with an AV (let&#x27;s say I bumped into it)? Do I just wait and call the police or is the AV reporting it automatically? It&#x27;s a little odd to not have a person to interact with in that situation.
samcheng将近 10 年前
The humans do seem to drive a little crazy on California St. in Mountain View! I&#x27;ve had a near miss with a negligent driver on that street myself. Nice to see that they&#x27;re moving the cars away from the quieter (more suburban) southern parts of the city near the hospital.<p>I have yet to see the new prototypes, which are allegedly making tours as well. Does anyone know what streets they frequent?
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amelius将近 10 年前
What I wonder most about: whenever the Car gets a minor software update, will they (be required to) do again 10,000 hours of test-driving?
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saturdaysaint将近 10 年前
I found the linked Vox article really interesting -<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vox.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;6&#x2F;1&#x2F;8700459&#x2F;google-self-driving-cars" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vox.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;6&#x2F;1&#x2F;8700459&#x2F;google-self-driving-cars</a><p>I&#x27;ve read reports that make me dread being behind a AV at a 4-way stop or a blinking red light - one passenger described waiting at a light for several minutes while drivers honked angrily behind them. Maybe AV&#x27;s will encourage traffic planners to implement more roundabouts, which might be less prone to other driver&#x27;s taking advantage. Or maybe AVs just need to get better at estimating the speed of oncoming traffic.
luckydata将近 10 年前
The description of June 4 sounds exactly like an accident where I was driving the car that touched the one in front of me. My foot slipped from the brake.<p>The driver in front reported injuries and asked damages, I&#x27;m still paying the consequences on my insurance rate. I still remember her face vividly, I noticed the moment when she started doing mental calculations about how much she could get out of that.<p>I hope she gets what she&#x27;s got coming for her, and self driving cars can&#x27;t come soon enough, especially for the sensor arrays mounted on each cars that will provide ample proof of what accidents are really like for insurance purposes.
SuperChihuahua将近 10 年前
If anyone is interested in learning more, I&#x27;ve found a free online-course called &quot;Programming a Robotic Car&quot; (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.udacity.com&#x2F;course&#x2F;artificial-intelligence-for-robotics--cs373" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.udacity.com&#x2F;course&#x2F;artificial-intelligence-for-r...</a>)<p>The lecturer is the same guy behind the Stanley car that won the DARPA challenge a few years ago (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;DARPA_Grand_Challenge" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;DARPA_Grand_Challenge</a>)
ucho将近 10 年前
So... does anybody know what truck manufacturers are doing? As far I can tell it will take at least 20 years before AV can drop steering wheel and deal with scenarios like police officer routing traffic around accident site. On the other hand even current Google tech should allow for soft* road trains made from 2-4 trucks and only one (active) driver. Also new hardware price would have smaller impact on already expensive vehicles.<p>*without physical connection like in Australian ones
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Altay-将近 10 年前
Here&#x27;s a non-pdf version without some of the padding:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.google.com&#x2F;document&#x2F;d&#x2F;1vgjC5VeySpjqzcHj1_4_-5MNck2tfIqjpNQBr8ihwz4&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.google.com&#x2F;document&#x2F;d&#x2F;1vgjC5VeySpjqzcHj1_4_-5MN...</a><p>Side note: Google should whip up a google doc only url shortner... so people know its a document and not a risky link, but its still short enough to share easily...
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jasonjei将近 10 年前
I think the only way to have safe driving with autonomous vehicles is to have roadways that are autonomous vehicles only. When autonomous vehicles become commercially viable, I think having dedicated autonomous freeways can really remove a lot of the randomness and dangers of driving. We might be a 100 years away from this prospect, but it would be great if we lost no more lives on freeways due to car accidents.
jongraehl将近 10 年前
I think Google can do better than just &quot;not at fault&quot;. Many of us have avoided (chain reaction or other) accidents by evading a would-be rear-ender (although this can backfire in that if you use up your cushion you may then be pushed into the obstacle ahead in addition to being hit from behind). Also, there are times where overly cautious braking causes chain reactions and collisions (at least, an extremely competent+cautious friend of mine told me he caused one once - maybe it&#x27;s rare).<p>Similarly, although we might do better to choose a world with different incentives (like one where 1&#x2F;3 or more of cars are rigid rule-entitled automata), many of us have (selfish-rationally) made room for incompetent lane changers even if it means violating lane rules ourselves.