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Ask HN: Is it possible to create a Saas for passive income while working a job?

90 点作者 nodelessness将近 10 年前
Have you done it? If so what are the challenges that you faced? What tips do you have for someone trying to do that?

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gargarplex将近 10 年前
Yeah I did that. The biggest challenge was wanting to spend every minute possible working on my Saas and dreading being at work.<p>Also, I know the intent of what you&#x27;re saying when you say &quot;passive income&quot; but after ~8 years of being obsessed with these ideas I offer a slightly more experience perspective when I say You probably aren&#x27;t going to earn any &quot;passive income&quot; from your Saas. Let&#x27;s say you get 30 customers @ 20&#x2F;month. That&#x27;s $600&#x2F;month but you shouldn&#x27;t appropriate that as passive income if you&#x27;re still building features, performing service maintenance, etc. Maybe if you freeze the product and don&#x27;t perform any marketing work, server work, etc. then it&#x27;s &quot;passive income&quot;.<p>In other words, you should focus on building a business, not a passive income. If you invest money in bonds or dividend-distributing stocks, then that&#x27;s a passive income. Because you literally do not have to do any work or stress over it if you take an extremely low-risk, highly-diversified, income-producing investment strategy. How do you get the $$ to invest? By building a business and investing lots of energy (the opposite of passive).<p>Can you build a business while working a job? Yes, it&#x27;s done all the time. Another tip is to wake up every morning very early and put your best cognitive hours into your project. Then you can go to work, and by the time you&#x27;re ready to get home you can fully invest in being present.
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augustflanagan将近 10 年前
A little over a year ago a friend and I launched <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cronitor.io" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cronitor.io</a><p>Our first paying customer came on July 9th, 2014. As of today we&#x27;re at about 80 paying customers. As of last month, we have started taking monthly revenue distributions of $1000 each.<p>I would echo gargaplex&#x27;s comment that, when building a small Saas product, your focus should be about building a business not necessarily just building passive income.<p>However, it&#x27;s easy to become completely engrossed in something you&#x27;re working on (especially if it&#x27;s showing a little traction). So, unless you can see a very clear path to your project becoming a replacement for your full-time revenue source, it&#x27;s important to be conscious of your time investment, and whether you are at the point where additional work will yield diminishing returns.<p>This is something I&#x27;ve been thinking about a lot with my project lately. I&#x27;m not sure if we&#x27;re there, but, unlike a year ago, when spending 10 hours of time to improve a mediocre product was clearly adding value it&#x27;s less cut and dry these days.<p>When I look at what has made Cronitor successful (this is a relative term) this past year there are a couple of things that stand out.<p>1. We launched with a <i>really</i> basic version of our product. It had limited functionality, was far from robust, and didn&#x27;t even include help docs. But, you could sign up and pay money for it.<p>2. We hounded our users for feedback. If you signed up you got at least one email from us asking for feedback. Most of the features that exist today on paid plans are because users asked for them. We&#x27;d say &quot;sure, we can do that it will be part of plan X. would you be willing to sign up for that?&quot; Not all of them said yes, but getting that validation before investing in features was key.<p>3. We took breaks from working on it. For myself especially this has been key. I&#x27;ll have a feature I want to build, or some part of the infrastructure I want to improve. Tackling this feels just like a regular programming sprint, but when it&#x27;s done I usually take at least a month before moving onto the next &quot;big&quot; thing. This has helped me avoid burnout, and gets me excited to come back and work on it every few weeks.<p>Hope that helps, if you&#x27;d like to chat further about getting a Saas project off the ground you can email me august[at]cronitor.io.
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mangeletti将近 10 年前
I&#x27;ve been trying to do this for a long time, but I have to admit something rather peculiar about my frustrating attempts to do so.<p>I started a company with my brother in 2010. It involves websites, and it takes up about 10-20 hours of our time per year. It costs us about $150&#x2F;mo to run and earns us anywhere from $1000-$2400&#x2F;mo (probably $1,600&#x2F;mo average). It&#x27;s earned around the same income for about 3 years, and before that it earned $400-$800&#x2F;mo for most of time during the first 2 years.<p>We could continue working hard to increase the amount our business earns, perhaps until it reaches $8,000-$10,000&#x2F;mo (very realistic, but would require about 2 man months or so each), but for some reason neither of us are ever excited to work on it. In his spare time, he&#x27;s busy doing his stuff (completely unrelated work), and I&#x27;m busy working on the next big thing (creating an SaaS, or at least trying to determine one to work on). It&#x27;s really stupid, because we have this boring thing that earns us huge returns on our time invested, and currently pays us nearly $1,000&#x2F;mo each for doing basically nothing, but we somehow find every excuse to work on something more exciting with little monetary returns, or perhaps simply scratching our own itches.<p>I think the lesson you can take from this (which I clearly haven&#x27;t learned) is that you shouldn&#x27;t seek to &quot;create a SaaS&quot;, necessarily. Instead, figure out the path of lease resistance to the dollars you want, and don&#x27;t worry about the &quot;passive&quot; nature of it. You can automate things later, in theory. Worry first about finding easy money. It really is out there.<p>I know that money isn&#x27;t everything, but it is pretty important. If you have passive income coming in, you can work on all the fun and world changing projects (or charity, etc.) you want, and all without worrying about going broke.
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shubb将近 10 年前
If your idea is good, why not hire someone to do the grunt work? If you have the skills to make it yourself, then unlike a lot of people who commission software, you have the knowledge to get a good deal and make sure the work is quality. If it&#x27;s unaffordable, you probably wouldn&#x27;t have had time to make it.
jakozaur将近 10 年前
Patio11 did that, he created Bingo Card Creator while working as Japanese salesman: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kalzumeus.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kalzumeus.com&#x2F;</a><p>He wrote a lot on that subject.
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joshontheweb将近 10 年前
I&#x27;m doing this right now with <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;zencastr.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;zencastr.com</a>. It&#x27;s still in beta so it hasn&#x27;t made money yet.<p>Not sure if I&#x27;m very qualified to give tips but one thing that has helped immensely is that I work remotely and have a job where I can choose my hours. If I have an emergency with my side project I can usually tend to it immediately. I also don&#x27;t have to work a full 40 hour week so that gives me time to work on Zencastr.<p>Sometimes it has been hard to keep things moving on it. It is quite easy to go a week without making any progress. Especially if I am up against a bug that is proving hard to figure out.<p>One thing that really helped push forward consistently was to make a trello list of todos. Then every day (almost), I make sure to cross something off of that list. It might only be a small copy change, or simple style tweak. As long as I cross something off every day I&#x27;m making progress. Typically I find that once I&#x27;m making a small change it gets me in the zone to work on bigger stuff while I&#x27;m there as well. Then weekends are typically when I really dig in and get stuff done.<p>We had our first baby right in the middle of all of this as well. Having a supportive partner definitely makes a big difference.<p>Hope that is helpful.
LoSboccacc将近 10 年前
Finding a job where you don&#x27;t sign off your intellectual right on secondary works has been my limiting factor.
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jon-wood将近 10 年前
Fool I am, I&#x27;m doing this on hard mode, by starting a year after our first child arrived.<p>It&#x27;s hard work, and not earning me any money so far because I&#x27;m still working on the MVP, but I hope to get there sooner or later. Most of the work so far is the odd hour here and there in the evening, and a few hours a week during my commute.<p>I am however greatly reassured by a colleague who is doing the same thing with an iOS app which is bringing in a reasonable amount of money - he works on it during his lunch break most days.
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thrwwy71215将近 10 年前
Do you think it&#x27;s a reasonable risk to work on my SaaS at work? My context:<p>I have 1-2 hours of free time each day max, if nothing comes up. This is because I have a baby. The 1-2 hours sacrifices perfect sleep.<p>My job on the other hand is not always demanding. I might be able to get a good 2 hour block in for myself. In addition, I have private space and my company is not in software, so they are more likely to be unaware.<p>My SaaS idea is intended to be a personal scale business, so even if caught it&#x27;s unlikely my company would be interested in it. Totally unrelated to their business as well. There is a slim chance my idea can catch on larger than I expect, but I&#x27;m not banking on it.<p>I also do not come from a CS background, so it takes me triple+ the time of what some of you can hack out a site. I&#x27;ve only created one app and I have to learn new tools for this new one. Thus the time crunch is even more extreme.<p>I can work on my app through a web IDE and private IP (HTTPS). Will the company be able to detect it? Alternatively I can shell out for a new Macbook I suppose, since I have private space to work.<p>My idea if successful will need some network effects to keep away copycats, so I&#x27;d like to be able to work full bore. However I cannot afford to quit my job.<p>I&#x27;m in California. My employer is not based there. I did not have to sign any IP agreements.<p>Would you work on your SaaS on the job if you were me?<p>Thanks.
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kiliancgn将近 10 年前
Yes, I did it with significant monthly profits. I solved a problem many eBay sellers had at that time. Tips from me:<p>1. Try to outsource as much as possible and do not try to solve everything yourself. Upwork &amp; Co. is your friend. There are people who are better in coding, designing etc. than you. After a while I outsourced time consuming customer first level support too. Of course you need some money to do it but you will make way more progress if you have a great team. Be VERY careful in selecting the people you work with. There are several good ones out there but a lot of not so good ones too.<p>2. Developing the Saas platform is not the difficult part. Winning&#x2F;getting customers is. Customers won&#x27;t come just because you published your site.<p>3. Think twice before you want to start something where you face a 2-sided-market. Building this next to your job might be very challenging.<p>4. Go for it! You (and others) will never know until you built it. Don&#x27;t let others stop you but consider their feedback.<p>Good luck!
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hansy将近 10 年前
Passive income often connotes building something once, then sitting back while money pours in. More often than not, this doesn&#x27;t happen (at least initially anyway).<p>Most of your time with your side project will be allocated to customer support and marketing. Others on this thread have correctly pointed out that approaching the project in terms of a business is the appropriate mindset to possess. You&#x27;ll constantly be tweaking and iterating until you hit product-market fit, then you&#x27;ll have to go out and sell the product.<p>It took me about a month to build <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.onhand.co" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.onhand.co</a> then double that time to reach enough users to sustain the server costs (still not profitable).<p>Honestly the best advice I have is similar to the advice startups receive, which is first figure out a pain point others are willing to pay to alleviate, then spend time building your side project&#x2F;business&#x2F;passive income.
empire29将近 10 年前
IME there are two main challenges<p>1) Pre-launch: Finding the time while working to create your SaaS (prior to go launch).<p>2) Post-launch: Ensuring you have the time to support your customers, and resolve issues in a timely manner. (Paying) customers come with the extra responsibility of taking care of them.<p>The latter can be much harder to manage since you need to react quickly and not push it off until when you have time.
andersthue将近 10 年前
Yes, besides Patio11 a lot of those attending MicroConf has done it!
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foxhop将近 10 年前
Yes, look to my profile for proof.<p>Do you have anything specific in mind that would cause you to believe otherwise? Possibly I can offer up my experiences.
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