I'll sue you if you use my common-sense JavaScript tests

Ah yes, David Mark. This guy trashes other JavaScript frameworks (usually quite pedantically) in order to promote his own "My Library". Not a good strategy if you ask me.<p>We were the target of a highly superficial "review" by him soon after Cappuccino was made public: <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/msg/17994a9a6f8f96e3" rel="nofollow">http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/msg/1799...</a><p>(for the record, YES and NO are there for compatibility with Objective-C, and we benchmarked the math functions, used in graphics routines which needed to be highly optimized, and found a significant performance improvement, in IE if I remember correctly, by aliasing them to eliminate the Math object property lookups)

Some other gems by David Mark<p><a href="http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_frm/thread/3d90e8b8a8301462?pli=1" rel="nofollow">http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_f...</a><p><a href="http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_thread/thread/2232c2e46e200cde/" rel="nofollow">http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_t...</a>

Everything I've read by this guy is more or less the same bilious, angry screed. His monomaniacal obsession with John Resig is a little alarming.<p>Therefore, I'm sad to admit that, in this case, he almost has a point. The use of attr('height') to mean not the height attribute in the DOM but as an alias for height() smells wrong to me. However, it's clear that he has absolutely no intention of becoming a productive contributor to jQuery or helping in any way.<p>By contrast, let's take a minute to appreciate this Matt Kruse fellow. He has apparently strong objections to something in jQuery's design and is taking it to John Resig. He seems ready to engage in a real dialogue. The end result? He probably ends up a little happier and jQuery ends up a little better.<p>The real question is: how can we have more Matt Kruses and fewer David Marks in the world? Do the David Marks of world drive off the Matt Kruses? (I think they almost certainly do.) Why are there so many sociopathic personalities in circles such as this, and how do we mitigate the damage they cause?

David Mark is an anti-jQuery crusader. He is known for speaking ill of people who use the library as well as the developers (John Resig in particular). He insists that jQuery is responsible for all of the sites across the internet that have JavaScript errors.<p>See <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7vul9/some_technical_criticism_of_jquery_code/" rel="nofollow">http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7vul9/some_tech...</a> <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8ndyw/jquerys_latest_stab_at_competence/" rel="nofollow">http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8ndyw/jquerys_l...</a>

Another reason not to participate in comp.lang.javascript: Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn.

Seems like this David Mark is mad at the world:<p><a href="http://sixrevisions.com/javascript/promising_javascript_frameworks#comment-22465" rel="nofollow">http://sixrevisions.com/javascript/promising_javascript_fram...</a><p><a href="http://sixrevisions.com/javascript/promising_javascript_frameworks#comment-24056" rel="nofollow">http://sixrevisions.com/javascript/promising_javascript_fram...</a><p><a href="http://stackoverflow.com/users/88658/david-mark" rel="nofollow">http://stackoverflow.com/users/88658/david-mark</a><p><a href="http://help.wugnet.com/bravenet/webmaster/Great-Examples-code-ftopict33846.html" rel="nofollow">http://help.wugnet.com/bravenet/webmaster/Great-Examples-cod...</a>

I think this is "his" javascript library (can't find his name mentioned anywhere though): <a href="http://www.cinsoft.net/mylib.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cinsoft.net/mylib.html</a>

The worst kind of trolls are the ones that are knowledgeable and articulate, but arrogant, dogmatic crusaders.<p>Many programming mailing lists I've been on ended up acquiring somebody like this, at which point I usually have to unsubscribe in order to resist the temptation to get into pointless flamewars.

He (David Mark) isn't going to get much support with his attitude.

Hmmm. There used to be a "David Mark" back in the day that trolled the Microsoft VB newsgroups when they were very active. Trolled hard. This guy's demeanor seems very similar.

I actually had to go and google the person in question. After about five or so newsgroup messages from him badmouthing other people I gave up.<p>Still no idea who he is.

I'm completely unqualified to tell whether this guy has valid points. But Resig has led the charge on a Javascript library that makes my job dramatically easier and more fun. To gain the respect I have for Resig, Mr. Mark would have to do likewise, or contribute significantly to jQuery.<p>Or, to put it in more childish terms, "if you're so smart, let's see you do it."

There is always some guy, I've never heard of, being an asshole on any given topic on the Internet. I'm sorry that he's picking on John/jQuery but it's really not that surprising.<p>I think John is being pretty pragmatic though just to exorcise the whole deal and attempt to enforce a clean room environment for the affected code branches.

His latest, on a bug report I filed against google closure: <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_thread/thread/44bb4805cc4d9cf8" rel="nofollow">http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_t...</a><p>I'd like to see him write cross browser key-event handling code without doing UA sniffing. Honestly, I would like that. He committed an attempt to a branch of Dojo but it's not in service and doesn't actually work.

It would be useful that instead of praising one person and denegrating another, supporters of jquery, capucinno et al addressed each of the many concerns that have been raised about those libraries in a manner that can be objectively evaluate.

Here is the actual David Mark post in question: <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/msg/071fb5f5c6c6fe90?dmode=source&#38;output=gplain" rel="nofollow">http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/msg/071f...</a>

Dude has some decent points but has the chronic usenet disease of not being able to put them forth in any manner even approaching tact or class.

Why is this even being posted to HN? Is it buzzword compliant or something?