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The adblocking revolution is months away

253 点作者 r0h1n将近 10 年前

39 条评论

vilmosi将近 10 年前
The overall article is of good quality but it reeks of Apple bias I personally find distasteful.<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; User experience is what Apple puts above pretty much everything else, and they’ve decided that they don’t like it the experience available through the ad-supported web, and so they’re going to do something about it.<p>The reason Apple does this is to push content creators away from the Web and into native apps. Apple gets a cut on any money made from apps but not from Web ads. It&#x27;s a strategic move that&#x27;s not fueled by wanting better UX for users. I&#x27;ll bet Apple won&#x27;t consider &quot;Install from Apple Store&quot; type messages as ads.<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;That also plays into Apple’s other general message, about how it doesn’t track what you do when you’re using its products<p>Bullshit. They have their own advertising network they want to push. That&#x27;s the whole reason they&#x27;re allowing Web ads to be blocked. So you&#x27;ll see more of iAds. Nothing to do about &quot;caring for your privacy&quot;.
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AlexMuir将近 10 年前
I completely understand why people use Adblock - it improves the user experience. Ironically hiding adverts is a just a side-effect; the improvement comes from speeding up page loads, and cutting down on cpu usage and bandwidth use. (I install Adblock for my mother to stop her seeing scams, but that&#x27;s another thing entirely.)<p>I&#x27;ve spent the past week optimising How a Car Works for speed (mobile is 55% of our traffic now).<p>The average uncached weight of an article is 1.1 MB, of which 70% is Google Adsense and Facebook (the only two 3rd party scripts I include). I can&#x27;t trim it any further and it&#x27;s very frustrating - suggestions welcome btw.<p>Almost the only suggestions that Google&#x27;s Page Speed tool has left are to minify the scripts that Google and Facebook themselves are serving.<p>I use Adsense because it&#x27;s easy, pays fine, and the ads seem reasonably relevant. But the weight of crap being downloaded is absurd and I hate the idea of wasting some Kenyan&#x27;s precious data allowance on an irrelevant advert that might earn me $0.01.<p>In fact, I&#x27;m going to use geolocation to not include Adsense in countries where I earn nothing.
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zodPod将近 10 年前
&gt;&gt;Of course, at this point we should step back and ask “why were the adverts there in the first place?” Oh yes, because they help pay for the content. In some – well, many, almost all – cases, they pay for all of the content.<p>Honestly? I don&#x27;t give a crap. Too many places have abused it and thrown stupid crap in just so they can make money. Just like the idiots who are careless with fireworks and then states ban them, the idiots have ruined it. It may not be fair or completely make sense but I don&#x27;t want to see your ad NOR do I want your stupid newsletter so I&#x27;m going to block the modal window along with every ad on your site just so you end up losing money.<p>My favorite has been the &quot;Complete survey to continue reading the article&quot; or &quot;Become a member to continue reading the article&quot;. Both of which cause me to just go, &quot;Ok, well screw your site then. I&#x27;ll go find one of the million other publishers of the exact same article on the internet. You don&#x27;t have a scare resource anymore because you&#x27;re just another bullshit media rewriter.&quot;
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wiremine将近 10 年前
Some other data points to consider:<p>a. The AdBlock Plus team has stated, &quot;in it&#x27;s current state there are still some issues, which render Content Blocking Extensions insufficient&quot; to use as an and blocking platform. [1]<p>b. Apple states that &quot;if the rule compiler detects that a set of rules would negatively impact user experience, it refuses to load them and returns and error. [2]<p>So, at least in iOS 9, it doesn&#x27;t seem to be a complete solution for the type of ad blockers we see on the desktop.<p>After reading about this, it feels like Apple isn&#x27;t trying to kill the web in this version of the technology. Instead, it is warning shot across the bow, so to speak, for publishers with really crappy experiences.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;adblockplus.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;content-blocking-in-safari-9-and-ios-9-good-news-or-the-death-knell-of-ad-blocking-on-safari" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;adblockplus.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;content-blocking-in-safari-9-an...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hackingwithswift.com&#x2F;safari-content-blocking-ios9" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hackingwithswift.com&#x2F;safari-content-blocking-ios...</a> (quote is third paragraph from the bottom...)
someuser1将近 10 年前
Honestly, the experience on some of these mobile websites is so horrible that I&#x27;ve actually started boycotting them when they&#x27;re just too bad to endure. It&#x27;s funny, as the screens get larger, the content space stays the same or shrinks. I think, &quot;ooh more content on one page!&quot; and they think &quot;ooh more ads to cram in!&quot;<p>It&#x27;s just the worst. Ads with tiny close buttons, ads that mimic the content on the page in order to get you to click, banners at the top and bottom of the screen. I DON&#x27;T WANT YOUR SHIT. I can&#x27;t wait till all of that goes away.
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rsync将近 10 年前
I think we know what a post-ad (or &quot;blocked&quot;) landscape looks like ... just look to NPR and boingboing.<p>At NPR: major movies, product launches, etc., are framed as stories and are given decent editorial treatment. But it&#x27;s just part of the PR Blitz package that the advertiser is taking out into the marketplace. There&#x27;s a TV commercial, a magazine ad, a Charlie Rose booking, a Terry Gross segment ... and a pre-written 80 second slot for &quot;Here and Now&quot;. It&#x27;s just part of the blitz and it&#x27;s just pacakged slightly differently when it plays on NPR. <i>But make no mistake</i> that Terry Gross interview with Mr. Phoenix as &quot;Her&quot; was moving into theaters was not a coincidence.[1]<p>at boingboing: constant, never-ending &quot;stories&quot; that are nothing but frames of words for amazon affiliate links. They&#x27;ve gotten <i>very</i> brazen about it[2], but other outfits could be more subtle and I think you&#x27;ll see it.<p>[1] Highly recommended. Hilarious interview. At one point, Phoenix forgets what her name is and at no point does he even know what show he&#x27;s on. Classic.<p>[2] Regular postings along the lines of &quot;remember that one movie ... man that was great ... two more lines of content ... affiliate link to the DVD&quot;.
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joesmo将近 10 年前
&quot;But wait, what about the moral dimension? The fact that if you block the ads, the sites lose their income?&quot;<p>What a ridiculous point. Sure the advertisers want to make this into a moral issue, but is it? No. It&#x27;s not. Advertisers just feel entitled. They are not actually entitled to display their ads or make money. Even bringing up this point like it&#x27;s a valid point for debate drags the quality of the article down.<p>Advertisers not making money off people using ad blockers is NOT a moral issue. It&#x27;s a failing of their business model. Nothing more and nothing less. Are we now going to say that they are too &quot;insert adjective of choice here&quot; to fail? Insanity!
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dmritard96将近 10 年前
And the Ad-network rearchetechture is probably already built. The way all of these adblockers are typically implemented is an IP&#x2F;DNS Name black list where the requests to those locations are stopped short. There is a super simple solution though, those who want to leverage ads for revenue can just bundle the advertising material into the content of the page rather than including the ads via third party ajax calls. Sure perhaps you could then play another iteration of cat and mouse by trying to tease out ads from NLP or with some sort of visual hashing, but at the end of the day, that is a much more difficult technical challenge than blocking ajax calls or bundling content.
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blinkingled将近 10 年前
How long will this revolution last if content providers decide to not show content to iOS users? I mean if they exist to make money and they can&#x27;t on iOS would it matter that there were hundreds of millions of them? With ad blocking it would be as if they never existed in first place.<p>Perhaps the idea is for Apple to get the content providers to make apps so they get their cut? Perhaps it is better for the content providers if they make content for-pay only for iOS users and make it work because Apple&#x27;s users don&#x27;t mind paying for stuff?<p>This is definitely not about Apple&#x27;s good will for its users or love for the UX though - interesting how Apple and its fans like the perpetuate everything under &quot;because Apple cares&quot; banner!
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BukhariH将近 10 年前
As expected this is going to have a negative affect on ad revenues but what people forget is that publishers won&#x27;t just accept lower revenues.<p>They&#x27;re going innovate. The easiest thing to implement would be a paywall but after the paywall we are going to see a rise in microtransactions for content.<p>That being said there are advantages to the subscription model. Maybe, publishers will stop posting click-baity headlines and misleading content if they know they&#x27;ve got users locked down and dont have to worry about them going to other sources as much.<p>But, on the other hand microtransactions are going to make content even more click-baity in order to convince users to pay for the content based on a headline and abstract.
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alecco将近 10 年前
Good. The 2015 web sucks for mobile. Advertising is out of control and there&#x27;s never going to be regulation to control.<p>Thank you Apple!<p>Previous discussion <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9940202" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9940202</a>
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LoSboccacc将近 10 年前
Mobile Safari account for 10% of the whole browser market share (desktop + mobile) and ALL other platform already had the possibility of installing an adblocker, so I don&#x27;t share the sensationalism of the article.<p>what is pushing the adblockers is the resurgence of annoying ads that spam windows all over the place and&#x2F;or redirect the current page to a temporary site.<p>internet population at large can now use a search engine and look up &#x27;block annoying advertisement&#x27; (first result, adblock plus) and 90% of them are in a position of installing an adblocker, Mobile Safari is just jumping late on the trend because awareness of it&#x27;s customer, not because apple is ahead of the game.
SG-将近 10 年前
Adblocking is already a thing on desktops&#x2F;laptops and iOS 9 isn&#x27;t going to ship with an Adblocker turned on or included. People will have to go download one in the App Store just like how they&#x27;d currently do in their desktop browsers.<p>The only thing happening is that the functionality is going to be added letting people do this. I suppose the fact that the App Store is really simple to use will make it easier on top of likely having a good Adblocker featured on top.<p>I&#x27;m already running iOS 9 dev build and have built my own Adblocker using the new APIs and it&#x27;s been great, personally it makes me actually want to browse more content on my iPhone than before. Previously I&#x27;d just give up on some sites and switch to the laptop or not even load the content to begin with because of long loads and too many ads.
mrkmcknz将近 10 年前
The amount of companies that are providing some form of tracking or advanced analytics based on traditional mobile advertising is pretty huge.<p>This could eventually be an event significant enough to kill a number of companies.
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fvdessen将近 10 年前
I&#x27;ve been a happy Android user for a long time, but mobile ads are so bad that I&#x27;m seriously considering switching to iOS just for the adblocking.
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theseatoms将近 10 年前
I&#x27;m looking forward to the increased number of affordable subscription-based news and entertainment sources that spring up due to the inability to rely on bottom-of-the-barrel style ad revenue. (A model that isn&#x27;t working for the majority of providers or consumers.) We&#x27;ve seen an explosion in quantity of content. I&#x27;m looking forward to an uptick in quality.
shkkmo将近 10 年前
I don&#x27;t see why this article mentions all those add blockers, discuses the moral implications, and then completely fails to mention Privacy Badger.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eff.org&#x2F;privacybadger" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eff.org&#x2F;privacybadger</a><p>&gt; Because Privacy Badger is primarily a privacy tool, not an ad blocker. Our aim is not to block ads, but to prevent non-consensual invasions of people&#x27;s privacy because we believe they are inherently objectionable. We also want to create incentives for advertising companies to do the right thing. Of course, if you really dislike ads, you can also install a traditional ad blocker.<p>If more people used this type of plugin, it would provide incentive for advertisers and advertising to behave better while still allowing for the existence of add-supported business models.<p>I don&#x27;t even see any mentions of that plugin in the comments on this page? Are people not aware of it? Do they not like it?<p>I do find that it isn&#x27;t perfect. Some of the scripts that is blocks are sometimes required for website funcitonality. When page is broken I sometimes have to check and modify the rules for that page. This isn&#x27;t ideal for normal users, but should be acceptable by people with sufficient technical ability (such as users of this site). As more people use it, I am sure this feedback will improve the rulesets that privacy badger uses.
ypcx将近 10 年前
One could say that Google has killed the internet, in the sense that information is fabricated, copied, rehashed and stolen with the exclusive aim of getting a &quot;click&quot; or a &quot;page view&quot;. However, the drive to push or peddle information - to convince someone of something - is intrinsic to human behavior or consciousness. And in fact, every piece of information delivered from a brain of one individual to the brain of another individual can be broadly classified as a marketing of sorts, e.g. a parent marketing good behavior to his&#x2F;her child. In that sense, in the internet domain, we have primary marketing&#x2F;propaganda in the form of the main article text, and secondary marketing in the form of what we call &quot;ads&quot;. This secondary (or even meta) approach has never really worked that much (despite appearing so, given the sheer size of internet), and due to aggressive optimization and competition it has gotten out of hand to the point where people, and now big business, are reacting against it. Given all that, what I think will happen, is that the force behind the secondary type (ad, popup, flash) of marketing will regroup into the more stealth (and more effective) primary form of marketing, and new ways of tracking the success of it will have to be developed.
andrepd将近 10 年前
There are ad-blockers for virtually every PC browser and for Android. Why is a revolution impending because iOS 9 will have it too?
2bit_encryption将近 10 年前
&quot;The uptake of AdBlock and its commercial sibling Adblock Plus has been gradual&quot;<p>Adblock Plus is in no way a commercial offshoot of Adblock. I thought Adblock went defunct, Adblock Plus picked up where they left off (plus extra features), and then at a later point Adblock returned. Despite the name, it&#x27;s not some industrial commercial version of Adblock. They&#x27;re different plugins, with different people behind them..... right? ABP is open source, too (according to its site).
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biafra将近 10 年前
I don&#x27;t see any reason or indicator for a revolution. Ad-Blocking has been around for years. Also on mobile. It is nice that Apple finally has hooks for plugins in their mobile browser, but it is by no means a game changer or a revolution.
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misterbwong将近 10 年前
I&#x27;ve worked in the industry for some time and I can definitely say that this is a big problem for publishers and that it isn&#x27;t going to turn out how everyone wants. Ads are huge business and the main source of revenue for lots of small-mid sized businesses.<p>I often see comments about how companies should move to a subscription (or pay per article) model but what you need to realize is that it will work for some (small number of) publishers, but is not tenable for most.<p>Adblock is just an annoyance to publishers right now but once the industry starts moving on this, you will see MORE intrusive ads, not less.<p>We&#x27;re talking native in-content ads, &quot;sponsored content&quot; indiscernible from real content, first party scripts with evercookies...the works. Why? Because the publishing <i>business</i> is built on the 3rd party advertising model and this is the next logical evolution. Every publisher can&#x27;t (and probably wouldn&#x27;t want to) have their own sales, ad dev and ad servicing teams.<p>This is what happens when adblock gains popularity and, unfortunately, it&#x27;s not pretty.
cognivore将近 10 年前
&gt;&gt; If the site generates the ad, it’s suddenly a lot harder to block. &lt;&lt;<p>Seems to me that this is the loophole in the entire ad-block plan. Seems like it&#x27;d be relatively straightforward to make a system that pulls in the ads from various sources, brings them locally, and then displays them from the website&#x27;s domain. Seems so obvious I&#x27;d think someone is already doing it.
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Mahn将近 10 年前
The question that I always wonder is, is it really that devastating if people who don&#x27;t want ads and <i>wouldn&#x27;t</i> click on them hide them? I can&#x27;t help but think that the kind of person that uses adblock-like software is also <i>not</i> likely to be the target group for most ads. It&#x27;s only a tiny minority those who do click on ads after all.
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onion2k将近 10 年前
Surely the overwhelming majority of ads delivered on mobile devices are in apps, and iOS9 won&#x27;t block those as far as I understand. This will drive more content sites to develop their own apps (and presumably wind down their mobile web offering).<p>It won&#x27;t kill companies; it&#x27;ll kill the web.
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forgotmypassw将近 10 年前
I wouldn&#x27;t call ad blocking feature &quot;revolutionary&quot;, but whatever.
sergiotapia将近 10 年前
I can&#x27;t wait to try this out once it launches! I remember when the web wasn&#x27;t littered with all this garbage and I&#x27;m happy that we can go back to those roots. Did you see how fast everything loaded when it didn&#x27;t have to load 27 popups and tracker beacons?<p>Next step is for Apple to enable a default privacy blocking block-filter and enable it on first boot.<p>I&#x27;m going to buy my wife an iPhone 6 once this lands to send a message loud and clear to Apple that what they&#x27;re doing is great for users.
midnitewarrior将近 10 年前
The side effect of this that Apple doesn&#x27;t mind at all, is that it will help kill the Web and make people more dependent on apps.
hsod将近 10 年前
A thought experiment for the &quot;there&#x27;s nothing wrong with AdBlock&quot; set:<p>Imagine a blog with quality original content that is relevant to your interests.<p>Imagine that, the first time you go to that site, you see the following text:<p>&quot;This site and it&#x27;s content are supported by advertisement. If you would like to read our content the only thing we ask is that you do not use an ad blocker on our pages.<p>If this arrangement is unacceptable to you, we understand and there are no hard feelings, we simply ask that you refrain from accessing the site.<p>There is no enforcement mechanism-- this agreement is based on the honor system.&quot;<p>Would you still block ads on the site?<p>If you answered no, a follow up question:<p>Are all ad-supported sites saying this implicitly?
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bargl将近 10 年前
Yesterday I started looking for an ad blocker that would randomly click ads in some of the sites I visit so as not to punish the website for the ads they are adding. I couldn&#x27;t find anything, does anyone know if that exits?
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EugeneOZ将近 10 年前
Good call to start revolution from the another side - from side of web entrepreneurs. If monetization of your web project done with ads, do FIGHT with ad blockers, such as AdBlock, AdBlock Plus and others. Change markup, track html changes after page load, find other ways to resist - don&#x27;t let them ruin your business. It&#x27;s important to stay &quot;good citizens&quot; - don&#x27;t use popups, don&#x27;t use huge banners, but it&#x27;s up to users to decide if there is too much ads on your pages - not up to blockers. Blockers should start with empty black lists and only add records on demand.
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antonmks将近 10 年前
Could be a good idea for Windows 10 - blocking all ads by default, including those delivered through browsers. It could seriously affect and even kill many current and potential Microsoft competitors like Google and Facebook.
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jfoster将近 10 年前
Are Apple and Google needlessly destroying each others margins, here? Apple pushing ahead with this will just make Google desperately push Android as hard as they can.<p>If Google&#x27;s ecosystem were left alone on iOS, Google would have fewer reasons to push Android heavily. On the other hand, if Google need Android devices out there in order for their ecosystem to survive, they might be more willing to see Android devices put into consumers&#x27; hands at break-even (or even loss-making) prices. Apple will either see market share decline or need to sacrifice part of their margins to maintain share.
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psychomotikon将近 10 年前
Seems to me that ad blocking, if it becomes widely adopted could push advertisers and publishers to work together to place ads in a more dedicated way with individual publishers, skipping the ad server networks altogether. This would put user data back, and the control over ads back into the hands of the publishers and advertisers. Maybe not efficient at first, but closer to the original model that the writer describes for print ads.
subbz将近 10 年前
A big problem on all the adblocking is that it will result in more &quot;sponsored content&quot; - that can&#x27;t be what we&#x27;re looking for.
gukov将近 10 年前
&quot;All of Facebook&#x27;s revenue growth since it went public comes from one source: mobile ads&quot; - <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.businessinsider.com&#x2F;facebook-mobile-ads-responsible-for-all-growth-since-ipo-2015-7" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.businessinsider.com&#x2F;facebook-mobile-ads-responsib...</a>
nemoniac将近 10 年前
Put &quot;Apple&quot; or &quot;iOS 9&quot; or something in the title.
lottin将近 10 年前
It seems a little presumptuous to call this a revolution. &quot;Catch up with the rest of the world&quot; would probably be better term.
kuni-toko-tachi将近 10 年前
&quot;People are getting p*ssed off with the huge data loads pages impose without their consent&quot;<p>This is an absurd statement. Users know that many sites are ad-supported. Whether they like it or not is independent of that, but consent is given by visiting them. Complaining that sites need ad revenue to support their operations is childish.<p>The fair solution is not ad-blocking tools, but a general browser settings that says that you do not wish to see ads at all. This information should be transmitted to the site requested so that the content provider can offer you a subscription if they provide one or to serve you a blank page that says politely to buzz off. Doing an end-run around ads is no different that sneaking into the backdoor of a venue without buying a ticket.
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